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[–] EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de -3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's something about how working for a shitty wage that can't allow you to afford a life is bad, right? How it's basically the same thing as slavery?

But then it goes into how property, just having property at all is somehow theft? That's where I disagree. People need to be able to own things and have things that only they can control. You can't and shouldn't be allowed to do whatever you want with other people's things.

People should always have autonomy over their own lives and their own property. And people should be given a UBI equivalent to a living wage and the minimum wage needs to be double what a living wage would be on top of benefits

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

No. The first argument is that the author can equate slavery to murder without being misunderstood. They then expound further on that meaning. They say nothing about wages.

The second argument says that in contrast one cannot equate property to robbery without being grossly misunderstood, which you have so eloquently demonstrated.

[–] aidan@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

No, it is from a 19th century socialist, this sort of language isn't easily understood by most people in the modern day. And to act like it should be so insightful to them is sophistry.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm not taking offense that they didn't understand the argument. I'm taking offense that they openly admitted to not reading it, and then attempting to summarize what it said, poorly. If that's sophistry, so be it. They're being willfully ignorant.

[–] Ookami38@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

To be fair, what you posted is insanely hard to actually read. Putting the whole quote as the link and not having any paragraphs makes it so much more taxing that yeah, I noped out halfway through when I realized I read the same thing three times, except it wasn't, because they draw parallels that would have been obvious, if they were formatted. Kinda like how that last sentence was painful to read.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

I didn't post it. I just interpreted it.

[–] EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Okay, well. I don't have the attention span to read all that. And I can't tell if there's any subtext in what you said.

[–] Ookami38@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago

A line break or paragraphs or literally any formatting at all would have helped. I suspect it's an artifact of how the full quote was done as the link, though.