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A place to discuss the ideas, developments, and technology that can and will shape the future of civilization.

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(1) Concepts are often better treated in isolation -- eg: "what if energy became near zero cost?"
(2) Consider the law of unintended consequences -- eg: "if this happens, then these other systems fail"
(3) Pseudoscience and speculative physics are not welcome. Keep it grounded in reality.
(4) We are here to explore the parameter spaces of the future -- these includes political system changes that advances may trigger. Keep political discussions abstract and not about current affairs.
(5) No pumping of vapourware -- eg: battery tech announcements.

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Hot Take: Chinese-style social credit systems will exist in all future civilizations (lemmy.ca)

submitted 1 year ago by troyunrau@lemmy.ca to c/futurism@lemmy.ca

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I posit that even the utopian futures will require something like it to preserve the utopias. Defensive Democracy will eventually see it as a necessary evil. The questions become: when? where first and where last? etc.

Discuss :)

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[–] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

that [...] system you vaunt now can and WILL be turned against you

This is true of almost any institution if the checks and balances are broken. Courts are great, but kangaroo courts are terrible. Democracy is great, until it elects a dictator. Etc.

Just because we don't personally like an idea doesn't mean it is avoidable from the perspective of a civilization.

If you work on the assumption that it is unavoidable: what checks and balances make it palatable?

[–] GenericUser@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

The point is not to have it come to pass period. Just because you personally like an idea because it fits into your world view doesn't mean that's it's necessary, or unavoidable. Thinking about checks and balances is admitting defeat. if you want a thought experiment think about all the ways that current government are trying to bring this about and instead of checks and balances think about was to push back and get rid of such a system.