So I would love to know. Would voting for either no one or a third party be a big “fuck you joe!” with no real world consequences? Is that seriously your belief?

Voting for one of two given candidates is far from actually directly supporting someone. You do not know what they did before the generals. Who they supported in the primaries. Unless you are literally out there plotting the coup to outdo all the coups of mankind and not idly sitting complaining online, then you have zero room to attack someone for voting for the less of two evils.

Unless, of course, you believe Trump would have somehow done better or prevented this. The guy saying he would remove all the Palestinians from the US. The guy that the creators and backers of Project 2025 wants to be their guy

And quit it with the “a tiny percentage of people is better than _____”. For one, well over a million people is not just some group to throw to the side to support another group and you’re literally doing the same thing you’re accusing this person of doing. Second, if you think that trans people by themselves are the only target of all that nonsense, then you are seriously incorrect.

[–] LarkinDePark@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

th no real world consequences?

Your hands would be clean of blood and you can say you didn't participate in the charade that led to the deaths of millions.

Voting for one of two given candidates is far from actually directly supporting someone.

It's literally supporting one of them. That's what it is. Participating in the American regime's phony processes legitimises them.

Unless, of course, you believe Trump would have somehow done better or prevented this.

I don't care. There's no air between them. Biden took all of Trump's policies and made them worse. You don't care about the policies, just the personalities.

For one, well over a million people is not just some group to throw to the side to support another group

This is literally your logic, remember? The lesser of two evils?

Second, if you think that trans people by themselves are the only target of all that nonsense, then you are seriously incorrect.

Are the other targets Americans too? If so, fuck them, the vast majority of Americans support its continued existence.

[–] gkd@lemmy.ml -1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Alright, continue believing this nonsense. Again, unless you are actively working on a massive coup to destroy this system, then all of your talk and nonsense is going to do nothing to help anyone.

There isn’t one major political group in the entire world that you standing up by doing nothing does anything about. Not one.

And again, you call for the attack of other people in order to save another, which is exactly what you accused him of.

[–] LarkinDePark@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

All you've got are some shit excuses to support a genocidal regime that's killed and displaced tens of millions around the world and continues to do so today.

Doing nothing as you call it is the only moral choice in the context of American "democracy".

you call for the attack of other people in order to save another

That's your shtick, not mine. I said to "do nothing" remember? Can't even be consistent in a single comment.

[–] gkd@lemmy.ml -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

No, you are suggesting that their support of one group is an attack on others. Your position is that is wrong.

You proceed to say “fuck em” about Americans who are under threat of attack. Which is a contradiction of your beliefs, at least if you take it at face value. You provide no other context and appear to be of the position that American suffering (individuals, not the regime. We can agree the regime needs to be destroyed) is of no consequence to you.

It’s a shame that both sides of us have to just jump to attacking each other instead of the much larger target that we BOTH agree needs to be dismantled. Much more could be done. This whole “left vs liberal” thing is such a waste of time.

That’s my point. Instead of attacking them, talk to them. Share your opinions, but don’t do it in some “I know more than you” and “I know what your beliefs are” type of way. None of us know each other outside of the little pieces of text we post here.

[–] LarkinDePark@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 10 months ago

No, you are suggesting that their support of one group is an attack on others. Your position is that is wrong.

The USA has killed millions of innocent people in the past decade alone. How is this wrong?

You proceed to say “fuck em” about Americans who are under threat of attack.

Those millions of people are killed in their name and not only do they not do anything about it, they actively make excuses that if they don't enable the genocides, then they'll be killed instead, the epic cowards.

the position that American suffering (individuals, not the regime. We can agree the regime needs to be destroyed) is of no consequence to you.

No, not those complicit in American genocides, you for example and the vast majority of other Americans. Was every Nazi in WW2 completely aware of everything they were enabling? Probably not, do we still think they should be eliminated? Well? Do you?

It’s a shame that both sides of us have to just jump to attacking each other

You're a Joe Biden supporter. You deserve it.

Your entire thesis here is just excuse making to support a genocidal regime. We have nothing in common.

[–] Grayox@lemmy.ml 0 points 10 months ago

They have no desire to accomplish anything other than being ideologically pure and zero desire to engage in good faith dialogue, i blocked em.