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This is what drives me crazy. People act like it's impossible to just, I dunno, start work earlier during some seasons rather than passing an act of congress to officially change the clocks.
Once we all get used to the time shift any benefits will be lost. And people will be bitching about how dark it is in the winter in the morning.
I mean you're not wrong, but its also a larger societal thing which ends up meaning government who negotiates such things. Its not just work, but school start times and bus schedules, public transport times, parking fees/times. It balloons out a bit, so its easier to have some official stance. However, it doesn't have to be federal, and could just be local municipal governments.
In general, though. Yes, individuals could just shift what they do, and this is exactly what humans did for a long time. The industrial revolution changed us so that we needed to coordinate and regiment societal schedules, and here we are now.
For the sake of sanity please no... I can only imagine a bunch of rural vs city splits where some county decides they should be in rooster time vs their neighbors.
Oh I agree it would be utter chaos! The idea that "why does it take an act of congress to change time" on the one hand sounds crazy, but I think what I'm trying to point out is why it takes an actual act of congress
we are coordinating lots of services and activities, and no one wants to descend back to the days of no one agreeing on noon!
You raise some good points. Though technically there are local regulations already. Most of Arizona, for instance, ignores DST. They have plenty of Sun - no need to save it...
So much simpler before rigid timekeeping was a thing. Get up when a bird tells you to and when the shadows get long go back inside.
Unfortunately people tend to expect businesses to have consistent hours for the most part. I see in a lot of small town businesses where they have winter hours vs summer hours but those tend to be shops that only cater to the local population. Having some consistency across the board is a net good thing and I'd be great with just picking one and sticking to it though. It's not as though it actually changes the hours of daylight, just our perception of when they are anyhow.
I've lived in a country that does not change for almost a decade now. It feels great to not have to deal with it (well, mostly; it affects scheduling calls with family in the US)
Changing routines like that would be a major pain in the ass.
I’d much rather change the clocks than try to retrain my entire routine twice a year.
I mean.. You do retrain your routine twice a year when the clocks change. If it weren't for that you could do it more gradually to make it easier. Maybe 15 mins earlier/later a day.
Not really. My routine doesn’t change based on the clock, which is what matters. The same things happen at the same time every day. The time might be shifted, but it still occurs at the same clock time. If the clock time doesn’t shift, then you have to consciously remember things that used to start at 9 now start at 8, which results in a lot more confusion and disruption of schedule
You have to remember that the clocks change. How is that different to having to remember things start at 8 now?
My clocks all change automatically. My internal clock is so fucked up that it doesn’t matter. There’s pretty much no manual intervention at all anymore and that works out great.
Changing starting times gets the worst of both worlds. Now everything (and I literally mean everything) is at a different time than it was a day before. Times for medications, times for pet feeding, times for work and the list just keeps getting longer.
At least with the system we have now the clock time of everything doesn’t change.
I see - you mean "the things you think about" don't change. I meant your routine changes in that you shift "when" you get up each day when the clocks change.
Every work an overnight shift? Everyone I know who does it ends up switching to "normal" hours on weekend just because all their friends and family live normal hours. Normally you sleep when everyone else is eating lunch, so every holiday you are switching to a normal schedule. Even if you try to keep the same schedule, almost nothing is open at 2am so you can't do any shopping on your weekend if you don't switch to follow the local world.
And then daylight savings rolls around and if you happen to be on shift you work an extra hour for free.
Yup. You know how we know that? Because they did this in 1973, and it lasted 10 months before people realized it was stupid idea and repealed the law.
Despite living in a time where all human knowledge is available in everybody’s palm, people demand action because they are inconvenienced rather than taking 5 minutes to understand why things are as they are.
The earth is tipped on its axis, and as a result, the days getter shorter and longer throughout the year. We change the clocks as a way of dealing with this, not because the government is stupid and wants to make everybody's life miserable. The biannual time change is irritating, but it’s better than not doing it. But I guess every 50 years people have to relearn this.
I grew up in Indiana and, until the 2010s (I think), Indiana did not have DST. I don't remember it ever being an issue or an inconvenience.