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I know that after you leave office as POTUS it is some sort of unwritten rule that you withdraw from politics.
Why did Trump not withdraw?
Also why isn't he a senator or congressman during Biden's term?
this post was submitted on 28 Oct 2023
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Unfortunately political systems are often held together with “tradition” and “gentleman’s agreements”, where conventions dictate how people should behave. Politicians typically followed them because it is seen as the honourable and right thing to do.
However, it seems to be a recent trend among the hard right that politicians just ignore those conventions because:
a) those conventions are inconvenient b) honour means nothing to them, and c) nothing actually enforces those unwritten rules - so there are no consequences for ignoring them
Similar things have happened here in the UK as well. I guess our political systems both assume some degree of good will & trust in its representatives, and it generally turns out that trust is misplaced.
You make a great case for getting rid of implicit rules and making them explicit at least within the current political environment (I mean the resurgence of fascism and other inhuman currents)
It's not typical just for the right around here, the left does it as well. Who does it more... I would speculate they both do equally.
Can you give an example? All the ones I've seen are either from the (far) right, or a direct reaction to the (far) right bucking traditional rules.
No, they cannot.
I didn't really expect them to answer. 90% of the time you just get to watch them scuttle off to hide, like cockroaches from the light. 9% of the time you get soundbite diarrhea, which is easy to debunk.
The last 1% can be interesting however. A well thought out counter argument to something I believe. It is a good check, to make sure I'm not the one in the bubble. It also lets me understand those on the other side of a debate. It's reached the point where 1% is being generous, however.
I heard they found illegally downloaded Metallica songs on Hunter's laptop!!! Checkmate, libtards!
And here we run into Poe's law ☹️. I'm hoping you dropped this --> /s
It's really hard to tell sometimes, isn't it? 😂
Yes I can. One of the prime ministers we had was convicted but abolished by the president. He was in a left oriented party, the president was in the same one. He didn't retire from politics, he went on to become our prime minister.
Unfortunately, that is so stripped down that it's impossible to analyse it in any reasonable way. It sounds like more run-of-the-mill corruption rather than bucking tradition though. Corruption is a problem of humanity, rather than just one side. Though even that seems a lot more prevalent and egregious in the right, right now.
If you want the full story or details, PM me, I'll disclose the names of the people and thus, the country I live in (which is what I'm trying to hide in this case).
I think it says a lot that your only example is either from a country so small that it would help dox you, or with other issues that would overshadow it.
I could, fairly trivially, locate multiple examples of right wing politicians abusing the traditions that support the country's government. While my own has its issues, I'm not limited to it.
Considering the original post was focused on the US and their current problems, your original comment implied that it applied there. The fact you haven't offered a single US based example is extremely telling.
Btw, Feel free to PM me the details, if you like.
Yes, I live in a small country. No, the examples are not from the US.
PM sent 👍.
The example was of the sort of corruption that affects politics everywhere, from a small country, not known for a lack of corruption. The example was also quite old. Predating trumps run at president.
Regardless, it was an example of left winged polititians doing exactly what left winged polititians are not supposed to do.
Doesn't matter of you're left or right winged around here, they're all the same, greedy and have no shame for what they did.
No-one ever said that left wing politicians are perfect. They are far from it.
The issue is 2-fold. You've not shown an example of what was originally discussed (blatant breaking of tradition , with no justification other than "because we can"). It is more normal corruption that creeps into all political systems.
The second is the scale. It's akin to comparing a school shooting, with dozens of fatalities, to a playground fistfight. Both are bad, but the scale is vastly different. Saying they should both be punished equally would be blatantly absurd.
That's exactly what I've shown. He went on to be a prime minister after being convicted and then abolished by the president, because... well, he can.
Regarding the last paragraph, there are other examples regarding the same polititian (cover ups of a few unexplained murders while he was in office) which is the smoking gun you're looking for. In the left's defence, the right did things like this as well.
My standpoint is both sides are, excuse my French, dogshit. Everyone is looking in their best selfinterest, nothing more.
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Still waiting on those examples... 🙄
I'd have to disclose the country I live in for the examples.
It’s okay, you can just admit you’re full of shit.
It’s the internet, no one really cares.
Write me a pm if you want specific examples.
Why would I PM with you?
I’m interacting with you on a public forum and if you don’t like to do that maybe Lemmy isn’t the right choice of social media for you.
Because I already said I don't want to disclose publicly where I live 😒 🤦.
Your instance and my instance admins can read PMs.
I can publicly post those pictures of our conversations.
Nauru is the smallest country by population and has 12 688 people so you still wouldn’t be doxxed.
🤦
Told you. You want examples? PM me.
I’m not the one asking for examples, I’m the one telling you that you’re full of shit.
🤷
Nice conversation.
I told you what my terms are and you refused to accept them, calling me a liar... I can't do more than that 🤷.
No problem, if you can’t continue to have a public conversation you have nothing of value to say anyways.
https://lemmy.world/comment/4891363
I did write him a PM, ask him/her what he found out with the info I gave him.
No.
You say what you want to say publicly or I continue to assume you’re acting in bad faith.
OK. I made my choice, you made yours 🤷.
I don’t seem to have the ability to PM people on my app but if you could PM me with those examples, I’d be very appreciative.
❤️
PM sent 👍.
Just to be clear, your statement is disingenuous at best. You didn't even provide a single example of evidence or fact to back up your claim, but used your own "speculation" as an ultimate authority. You really just sound like someone severely ill informed.
Scroll down the comments, I did provide an example. If you want more details, PM me, we can discuss in private. I don't want to disclose publically the country I live in.
Well give us a hint… does your country have regular mass shootings and do nothing about it?
No, nothing like that.
But we do have a flawed democracy implementation and greedy corrupted polititians.