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An international (English speaking) socialist Lemmy community free of the "ML" influence of instances like lemmy.ml and lemmygrad. This is a place for undogmatic shitposting and memes from a progressive, anti-capitalist and truly anti-imperialist perspective, regardless of specific ideology.

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If you are new to socialism, you can ask questions and find resources over on c/Socialism101.

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0. Only post socialist memes


That refers to funny image macros and means that generally videos and screenshots are not allowed. Exceptions include explicitly humorous and short videos, as well as (social media) screenshots depicting a funny situation, joke, or joke picture relating to socialist movements, theory, societal issues, or political opponents. Examples would be the classic case of humorous Tumblr or Twitter posts/threads. (and no, agitprop text does not count as a meme)


1. Socialist Unity in the form of mutual respect and good faith interactions is enforced here


Try to keep an open mind, other schools of thought may offer points of view and analyses you haven't considered yet. Also: This is not a place for the Idealism vs. Materialism or rather Anarchism vs. Marxism debate(s), for that please visit c/AnarchismVsMarxism.


2. Anti-Imperialism means recognizing capitalist states like Russia and China as such


That means condemning (their) imperialism, even if it is of the "anti-USA" flavor.


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That includes so called: Social Democracy, Democratic Socialism, Dengism, Market Socialism, Patriotic Socialism, National Bolshevism, Anarcho-Capitalism etc. . Anti-Socialist people and content have no place here, as well as the variety of "Marxist"-"Leninists" seen on lemmygrad and more specifically GenZedong (actual ML's are welcome as long as they agree to the rules and don't just copy paste/larp about stuff from a hundred years ago).


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The only dangerous minority is the rich.


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[–] novibe@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I love how Adam Smith was literally mocking market absolutists when he coined the term “invisible hand”. Like he was mocking people who believed the market was a self regulating divine entity, and likened how they saw the market regulating itself to how god would “regulate” nature, with his “invisible hand”.

None of these nerds ever read Adam Smith and keep using his words to support them…

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Smith also agreed with Marx that under capitalism the wage for most labor will spiral down to the lowest amount capable of keeping a human being alive, damning the proletariat to live in filth regardless of how much wealth they're actually able to produce. If you look at modern libertarian arguments against wealth redistribution, they all tacitly admit that the system is designed to keep an army of people fighting with one another to be the one who lives with the least. That's what their inflation argument is, it's an admission that no matter how much wealth labor creates, or even how much they're allowed to keep, the cost of living under capitalism will simply rise to ensure that that amount is the new bare minimum. That's what happened in America after WWII, it took less than one generation of unfettered capitalism to go from "one member of a family can make enough money to keep that family in relative luxury" to "between the two of us we have four jobs and we still go to bed hungry to afford our kids' medicine".

[–] novibe@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Smith was almost an anti-capitalist, but dude was too optimistic. He foresaw how things could go wrong, and how some were already going wrong, but he saw capitalism as the material manifestation of enlightenment ideals (as did most liberals) and thought in the end, when it won out, it would bring the ideals into reality.

I’m sure if he was born a century or more later, he would be a socialist lmao.