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The report is absolutely scathing. Some choice quotes:

But when the next crisis came, both the US and the governments of Europe fell back on old models of alliance leadership. Europe, as EU high representative for foreign affairs Josep Borrell loudly lamented prior to Russia’s invasion, is not really at the table when it comes to dealing with the Russia-Ukraine crisis. It has instead embarked on a process of vassalisation.

But “alone” had a very specific meaning for Scholz. He was unwilling to send Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine unless the US also sent its own main battle tank, the M1 Abrams. It was not enough that other partners would send tanks or that the US might send other weapons. Like a scared child in a room full of strangers, Germany felt alone if Uncle Sam was not holding its hand.

Europeans’ lack of agency in the Russia-Ukraine crisis stems from this growing power imbalance in the Western alliance. Under the Biden administration, the US has become ever more willing to exercise this growing influence.

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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

From another angle Germany twisted the US’ arm until they did what we wanted them to do. Atlanticism in Germany is right-wing, the SPD certainly has its faults but worshipping the US is not one of them.

The top EU think tank very clearly disagrees with you here. It's also pretty clear that Germany ended up being the big loser here given that it's now in a recession. So, I guess if that's what Germany wanted then it certainly did a brilliant job twisting US' arm to destroy German industry. Given that this has been the stated goal of US for years now, I don't think much twisting required here.

Against who? Aliens?

Europe wouldn't have anyone to defend itself against if it didn't keep creating enemies for itself. It was entirely possible to dismantle NATO after USSR collapsed and integrate Russia into Europe as an equal. Instead, Europe chose to have an antagonistic relationship with Russia, and now Europe finds itself in a protection racket situation.

Finally, the idea that Europe could fight US or Russia in an all out war is completely delusional. Europe lacks the industrial base to do this kind of warfare, and it also lacks access to energy. Meanwhile, if we're talking about nukes both US and Russia have literally an order of magnitude more nukes than all of Europe combined.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So, I guess if that’s what Germany wanted then it certainly did a brilliant job twisting US’ arm to destroy German industry.

The fuck have Abrams anything to do with Germany's industry? How is that in any way connected? Are you simply making up slogans?

Instead, Europe chose to have an antagonistic relationship with Russia

Oh my fucking sides. Заткнись ватник блядь.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The fuck have Abrams anything to do with Germany’s industry? How is that in any way connected? Are you simply making up slogans?

I'm talking about the result of Germany being cut off from cheap energy and US blowing up German pipelines without Germany making any protest. Meanwhile, haven't seen any Abrams anywhere close to Ukraine, but plenty of Leopards burning there now.

Oh my fucking sides. Заткнись ватник блядь.

I see you have difficulties engaging with reality.