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[–] FunderPants@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

My family lives in a rural town of 1600, my wife works 800m from home and I commute 50km to the nearest city for work. Most days she walks to work for 7:30 or takes the ebike. I take our EV to arrive at 9am. My daughter takes the school bus , which arrives at my home at 8:17am.

There is a bus that comes to my town and goes to the city each day at 7AM and 8AM. Unfortunately, I cannot take the bus, or I would have to leave my daughter unattended. I don't think I need to explain why taking my bike 120km a day round trip by the bike path won't work.

By taking the EV, I make my life work and I save a good amount of CO2 in the process. My old hatchback would have burned 7.7l fuel to make the commute , or 7.7 * 19.6 lbs CO2 = 150lb CO2 per day. My EV gets 16kwh/100km generating between 3/4 lb and 5lb CO2 for the trip, based on local energy mix.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I think a mixture is the real solution. Public transport and human-powered transport such as bicycles should be encouraged as much as possible, but they cannot apply to every scenario. I have to drive about 10 miles down a 4-lane highway to an industrial park whose only access is that highway. Both my home and that industrial park are outside city limits. The nearest bus to me is 2 miles away and goes the opposite direction. Even with robust public transport in this area, it wouldn't be economically justifiable to get a bus to go from anywhere near my semi-rural subdivision to that industrial park. Not enough people would ride that bus and it wouldn't be safe to ride a bicycle there.

So I'm a case where I have to drive a car. I don't like it. I wish I had another option. I would never drive again if I could, but right now I drive a car and the most eco-friendly car I could afford, which was a used Prius.

So people in this community can berate me if they want, but I'm pretty much out of options unless I do something drastic like quit my job and move. And "quit your job and move so you don't need a car anymore" is not advice anyone should take. Maybe one day, I will be able to do that. I rode public transport all the time when I lived by the train in L.A. and I loved it. But I don't live in L.A. anymore, I live in a small city in Indiana where public transport throughout the county, which is mostly farms outside city limits, is just not viable.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Your situation doesn't reflect the majority's situation, that's what people need to understand, with better public transport it's a very small minority that needs a car.

[–] FunderPants@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I do understand that. But this meme doesn't understand me.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

In a way it does, if cars didn't exist you would have found work closer to home and your environmental impact would be lower. Your situation exist because cars allow it to.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

That's a bad way to phrase it because it frames cars as technological innovation providing a benefit.

The reality, and the best way to phrase it, is different: his situation exists because massive government subsidies for car infrastructure allows it to. He's not an enjoyer of modern convenience; he's a welfare queen.

[–] RaoulDook@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

Thank god it's not like that because I have a great job and a great life that was enabled by the freedom that my cars have given me. Y'all can get rid of your cars but I will always have one regardless of the law or society's opinion. I'd build my own fucking car if you couldn't buy one even.

[–] sky@codesink.io 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Good thing memes don't have to account for every individuals experience in the world huh

[–] FunderPants@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The meme makes a blanket statement forgetting about a big swath of rural people, falsely claiming that EVs don't address climate change when the cold fact is that EVs do represent a way for people like me to contribute to the solution. A meme like this deserves a reminder like mine.

[–] sky@codesink.io 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Or you could simply remember that it's just a meme and stop getting so worked up!

Signed, A rural EV owner

[–] FunderPants@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

Or, I could make a small post so that one of our rural neighbours, driving an SUV, doesn't read "EVs don't solve climate change" and think to themselves "Hey, that's true, may as well continue on with my SUV".

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Your situation doesn’t reflect the majority’s situation

In America this is an extremely common situation. Public transit is abysmal here. We need to build that up before we start removing car infrastructure.