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Anti Brexit: told you so.
Pro Brexit: this is not the Brexit I voted for.
They wanted a Brexit that would still offer them the benefits of being in the EU, without any of the responsibilities of it
Which is pretty much what we had anyway. Oh, but if course I dOn'T wAnT bRuSsElS tElLiNg Me HoW tO LiVe!
I'd prefer the complete opposite of only Brussels telling us how to live and the Tories fucking off forever.
I don't think Brussels ever trying to make me do anything, or change my life in any noticeable way.
The Tories on the other hand not so much.
Hold on now, the EU had given us our rules on annoying things like keeping our water clean, allowing citizens to move around, and human rights.
How are we meant to exploit people and the environment being told to live like that?
In fact, the UK has been strong armed into over 52,000 laws!
https://www.thomsonreuters.com/en/press-releases/2017/march/eu-laws-introduced-in-the-uk-highlights-scale-of-challenge-facing-lawmakers-following-brexit.html
Look, they're irritating things like reducing pollution, stopping our packaging from containing hazardous chemicals, keeping working hours fair, protecting temporary workers rights, banker regulation... how are the Tory government supposed to fuck everyone over with all these in place?
We already basically had that. There was essentially no onerous responsibilities on individuals to be in the EU. Sure we had to give the EU money, but we also got money and I'm pretty sure that it was coming in more than it was going out.
On an individual citizens level, essentially there was no downside and huge amount of upside.
Have you tried going to France lately, it's a nightmare, it used to be that you would just drive up to the little passport kiosk and some French guy would barely glance at you and wave you through. You could have been a terrorist or smuggling drugs, he didn't care.
I have a Swiss friend who just is waved through in airports. And the Swiss have never even been part of the EU to begin with!
Pro Lexit: this is just about to get started
Why would any sane left leaning leaver believe the right would deliver a left leaning brexit?
The added benefit is crippling the Tories for at least a decade, plus all the scalps already taken:
Lexiters are the most deluded of all Brexiters.
Really? The CAP sucks up the largest slice of the budget and rewards rich land owners to pollute
https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2016/09/29/common-agricultural-policy-millions-eu-subsidies-go-richest-landowners/
Remainers were the most deluded, thinking they were already in the sunlit uplands, when in reality they were just giving up sovereignty for pet passports and mobile roaming whilst 25k lobbyists in Brussels shape policy and decisions at the top are made in secret
https://www.politico.eu/article/copa-cogeca-farmering-lobby-europe/
https://www.economist.com/business/2021/05/15/the-power-of-lobbyists-is-growing-in-brussels-and-berlin
https://www.ftm.eu/articles/controversy-between-european-commissioners-stays-secret-in-special-minutes-for-thirty-years
And that's not even the Antici secret notes from the Council meetings.
Edit. lol downvote away, no karma censorship bollocks here
Facts > feels, most of you don't even know how the EU works, and given an actual chance to do something revolutionary cowered like chicken littles because of a threat to Thatcher's neoliberal single market?
Imagine voting for the status quo, lol.
the EU offers a lot more than your over simplification.
Sure, we should have stayed on the single market, there was no need for any disruption
But there was no way out of the environmental disasters that are the common policies without leaving the EU.
But, Tories gonna Tory
we could have influence the EU from within. Instead we are flushing raw sewage around the coast and asking people to stop consuming sea food.
Yeah, the CAP has required reforming for 40 years. I'd given up hope way before they spent all of our net contribution on poorly implemented and failed biodiversity policies, according to the EU's own auditors.
https://www.arc2020.eu/cap-billions-spent-on-biodiversity-with-little-impact-auditors/
The CFP is also a cluster fuck that's based on fish quotas to satisfy boats, not fish. The bycatch and discards are a decades long failure. The herring population is about to collapse as a result, and over 10k dolphins are killed each and every year.
https://www.intrafish.com/fisheries/critical-northeast-atlantic-herring-stock-at-risk-of-collapse-warns-msc/2-1-1527500?zephr_sso_ott=dw7lvo
https://seas-at-risk.org/press-releases/european-commission-must-stop-france-and-spain-from-killing-thousands-of-dolphins-warn-ngos/
Oh yeah, how has Brexit worked out on that front?
The rivers and sea are literally full of runoff and shit.
You're confusing a political decision on European affairs with piss poor governance by the Tories
But that's our realistic alternative.
Either we work with the EU, who (even if not perfect) have sane, useful laws, with oversight of our own government, or we work with the corrupt tories only, who will keep taking and leave us with nothing.
Perhaps we should have made sure our country wasn't being run into the ground before getting rid of any oversight.
But now it's too late, and the results are clear no matter what your fantasy brexit was. The Tories were in charge when you voted to give them more power. And now they have more power. Shocked Pikachu.
That's treating the symptoms and also assumes that EU oversight is a good thing.
What happens if the right continues its rise and ends up in powerful positions within the EU? Do you really want that sort of oversight?
It's not too late. And if you voted remain, you voted with the Tory government...
IF that happened, then we could leave.
But it hasn't happened.
But our Tory government already is super right leaning and that's all we have now.
If you voted remain you voted to be a part of the larger EU, if you voted leave you voted to only be governed by the tories.
If you voted leave you fucked up big time and you're on the defensive. Swallow your pride and admit it was a bad choice at the time and it's a bad choice now. Nothing good has come of it.
The only place you feel like it's a win is in the fantasy you just mentioned where nazi EU becomes a thing and we escaped just in time.
But reality is that the UK is a lot more right leaning than the EU as a whole, they're ruining our country, and you voted to give them more power.
No, if you voted to leave, you voted to restore sovereignty to parliament. The people get the government they deserve. We don't need oversight. That's bollocks.
We are out of the CAP. The replacement Agriculture Policy removes production subsidy. That's all I wanted.
We are already back in Horizon and have a seat at the table at the European Political Community
You are on the defensive, not me mate. I work in agtech, brexit and covid have been great for business and will help mitigate climate change.
The government they deserve. Ok. Enjoy disasters being great for business while the country crumbles around you.
https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/joseph_de_maistre_138331
Wow, what a brainy quote from 200 years ago, that sure showed me.
Maistre thought that politics should derive from religion and that in Europe this religious authority must ultimately lie with the Pope. Would you also like the Pope to replace the government instead?
Obviously