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Tories heading for landslide election defeat, says Britain’s top pollster
(www.independent.co.uk)
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Hoping the party fractures under the pressure.
The tories really conist of two parties at war with each other constantly. The only thing they agree on is money and power are good for them.
It fractured a decade ago when they couldn't get a majority and had to get in bed with the popularists by promising a brexit referendum. Something 100% against tory values.
What you have now is not even a tory party. it's an unelected popularist assortment of fifth rank backbenchers who would have been insignificant in the grand scheme of the party.
The real question is what is going to happen to the tory party after they lose. Will they reform as an ultra nationalist fascist party like they have been heading towards? Will they go the gentle opinionless route Labour did and hope that's enough? Just die?🤞
Hopefully they collapse and Labour split into centrists and lefties. That would be ideal, drag the Overton window over a little.
Even Thatcher’s Tory party was fractured — between so-called wets and dries. It’s inevitable that any broad political party (which you get in a two-party system) will contain extremes.
If they lose, surely the pary splits between moderates and the nutters.
That already happened. The moderates left a long long long time ago
One thing rich fucks are known for is banding together to protect their wealth, and the public fountain they get it from. I wouldn't get my hopes up.
I worry more about vote splitting, but both can be fixed by moving away from FPTP. Mixed Member Proportional Representation, like Germany and New Zealand, is what we need.
Unfortunately we won't get proportional representation from a labour goverment.
Maybe if they are forced into a coalition with the lib dema we can get movement. The problem is labour really don't do coalitions which leaves the door open to a tory return if they get a low turnout.
Thing is Labour party members want to get rid of FPTP. It's the party leadership that doesn't. Which is putting party before country.