Hey, whoever told you those numbers is lying to you. The nazis killed 11 million people in the holocaust and 26-27 million soviet citizens. High estimates for people killed by the USSR outside of defeating nazism, failures, and sabotage is in the 100,000s, which is noticeably lower than capitalist oligarchies like the US and Britain. Also killing people based on them wanting to bring back old caste systems through violence is morally distinct from racism based mass killings.

The difference is that Hitler was after one specific group of people and wanted to eradicate them.

Also this isnt true, Jewish people, Roma, nuerodivergent people, disabled people, trade unionists socialists, communists, gay people, trans people, the list goes on.

Also you're still equating the two after being told doing so is holocaust denial. You're saying "well they killed equivalent amounts of people!"

[+] TheFriendlyDickhead@lemm.ee -6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How is saying Stalin wasn't a great guy either denying the holocaust?

Also this isnt true, Jewish people, Roma, nuerodivergent people, disabled people, trade unionists socialists, communists, gay people, trans people, the list goes on.

Yes ofc, but a big percentage of the deportated people were Jewish. They killed two thirds of the European Jewish population.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust

High estimates for people killed by the USSR outside of defeating nazism, failures, and sabotage is in the 100,000s

No: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excess_mortality_in_the_Soviet_Union_under_Joseph_Stalin

[–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How is saying Stalin wasn't a great guy either denying the holocaust?

You aren't saying that though, you are saying that they killed an equivalent amount of people. You're morally equating them. Also even the CIA didn't consider stalin a dictator in their since declassified internal documents, treating him as one is another way you were taught to equate the USSR with nazi Germany.

Yes ofc, but a big percentage of the deportated people were Jewish. They killed two thirds of the European Jewish population.

I know, that isn't the only group they targeted though. I was simply correcting an inaccuracy in what you said.

No:

Sorry, I thought it was high hundreds of thousands but it was actually a million. My mistake. Still, that is in no way similar to killing upwards of 35 million people in the name of bigotry.

[–] TheFriendlyDickhead@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago

some historians estimated that the numbers killed by Stalin's regime were 20 million or higher. (Same link as before: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excess_mortality_in_the_Soviet_Union_under_Joseph_Stalin)

It's more that a million.

I don't know why you made this discussion about if he was as bad as Hitler. I never said so. I'm just saying that those numbers are not that far apart from each other. Thus making Stalin a murderer of millions. This discussion originated in a guy basicly saying that Stalin was indeed a great leader and personality. Which he is not.

And he willingly allied with Hitler. So moral he was OK with the crimes Hitler committed. At the same Time he deported a lot of people himself. Not as many and not as organized as Hitler, but still in the millions.

Stalin was a bad guy and Hitler was way worse. Happy? Just because that other guy was worse they can still play in the same category. "People who killed millions and deported a lot of people"