Hydrogen for cars is a nonsense. It is so inefficient. Unless you are making it from oil, which why the oil companies are pushing it, you lose loads of energy making it. Then it has to storages and transported, which is hard. Then the car use of it is inefficient too.

So ignoring the oil industries' "blue hydrogen", and looking only at "green hydrogen", you are looking at about 22% of the energy generated ending up pushing the car forward! With an EV it is about 73%. So hydrogen car are over 3 times more expensive to run.

Plus you can just plug in an EV anywhere. With an EV, if need be, you can charge, slowly, off a normal home socket. Of course, normally, you fit faster charging at home.

Hydrogen cars is lie pushed by big oil.

[–] sonori@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To be fair, i think it may have some use for fleet vehicles like taxis and long range buses because these are applications where being able to refill in minutes at a fuel depo you already run actually matters as compared to the stress you would put on a large battery fast charging day in day out. I also believe that Japan has a nuclear plant that is being built with the capacity to efficacy generate hydrogen directly. That being said, for personal vehicles I can’t really see the market of people who need that fast of a refil being large enough to reach the economies of scale necessary to be practical.

[–] shrugal@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Afaik it has a higher energy density than common batteries, so it could be useful in things like aviation where this is the main concern and you can build special infrastructure to support it.

The frustrating thing is that a car running on hydrogen works really well, has a pretty long range and can be refueled quickly, so it looks like a good alternative. It's only when you ask how that hydrogen was made and how it arrived at the refueling station that things start to fall appart.

[–] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What about hydrogen fuel cells? They got 79% efficiency and can replace batteries of EVs right?

[–] Litron3000@feddit.de 13 points 1 year ago

Yes, but turning electricity into hydrogen doesn't have 100% efficiency, during transport, storage and filling the car with hydrogen you lose some of it and only then you get to the fuel cell, which isn't very efficient in itself. And then you lose a bit more (although very little) in the electric motor. All this amounts to the 22% of the guy above (didn't check the number btw, but it sounds plausible)

[–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

and can replace batteries of EVs right?

Toyota bet on this and it didn't go anywhere in the US. They're pivoting to battery EVs.

Even countries that invested heavily in hydrogen are pulling back - like Denmark eliminating all hydrogen stations. https://energywatch.com/EnergyNews/Renewables/article16432608.ece