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Socialism will end class divisions and exponentially increase the quality of life of humanity
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this post was submitted on 16 Sep 2023
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The worst thing for the socialist movement are other socialists
Tbh I think the worst thing for the socialist movement is the history of what happens when socialism runs into economic and political reality. But a good number two is internal discord between socialists, yeah
You spelled the central intelligence agency and western intelligence apparatus wrong
Yes, yes, everything is the evil CIA's fault. Never mind that the communists had their own intelligence agencies! They didn't have any agency and all their actions were puppeted by the evil capitalists because of how amazingly competent capitalists apparently are. But yeah no let's do communism because even in a brutal dictatorship some liberals can beat the shit out of us in technology, economic prosperity, soft power, hard power, and diplomacy.
Go touch some grass, tankie scum
Sure.
So anyway Henry Kissinger is a name you should look up. Allen Dulles. George HW Bush. Roy Cohn. Good places to start.
Also the term Whataboutism fits here. I'm saying socialism isn't allowed to exist because of the Western Capitalism supplied Intelligence Agencies. What are you talking about?
Gorbachev, Stalin, Brezhnev, Lenin, etc, etc. Communists tried to make sure capitalism couldn't exist far harder than capitalists did for communism. And it was communists who declared that particular war. Lenin, in fact, is the architect of institutions like the comintern which took that as their goal.
That's just literally not true. Financially alone communist countries didn't have the money to fight back, that's why they often moved towards socialism. Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, Venezuela. The countries were poor because heavy capitalist countries owned the main exports of these countries. Like the term Banana Republic is one sided.
The entire goal of socialism is for workers to change the structure of capitalism. "Declaring war" in that way is like the war on drugs, language more than anything. This is not like a Jihad. It is just the philosophical belief that we aren't truly free until we own our venue of money making. As a people that's for the country you live in, as a person or worker it is for the company you operate with.
This war is a declaration of change of the relationship of the rich and poor, the workers and the owners.
But if you really think the KGB has done as much as the CIA I have a bridge to sell you. The KGB wish they were the CIA.
Yes. They didn't have the money to properly fight back. Because communism sucks. With a continent span ing empire and imperial authority over the entire Warsaw Pact and Comintern, the USSR was still a decrepit, corrupt shithole of a nation propped up by the shambling corpse of Marxist-Leninist economic theory. Communism fails, and fails again, and again, and again, not because capitalists have unfairly stopped them, but because it is an economic system as badly suited to the modern world as mercantilism or feudalism.
Took a lot of words for you to express you really don't know what you're talking about.
Marxist-Leninist economic theory? Lmfao.
I also find it hilarious you both agree the countries couldn't fight back but also you're saying capitalists never fought them in the first place. They did very aggressively.
If you want to continue being ignorant about the CIA go ahead but you're just wrong bud. Like the Red Scare was real, the Cold War happened. Kissinger was constantly looking for excuses to nuke anyone over socialism.
You are cluelessly outside your mind
I said the communists couldn't prosecute the war against capitalism that they started because their economic theory is shit and doesn't work well in the real world. Which is true.
and I'm saying you sound so clueless treating this like some weird war between factions. It is an extremely uninformed position and view.
It's.... historical truth, dude. The interim goal of the USSR was to overthrow capitalism in Germany, and then from there, enact world communist revolution under their aegis via COMECON
But the CIA, who has way more funding, didn't constantly overthrow any form of socialism they smelled? Okay.
Do you support unions or workers rights by chance?
Oh, sure, they did.
Absolutely. Which is one big reason why I oppose communism. One of the first things the bolshevists did when they seized power is took the right to appoint officials to labor unions and worker's Soviets, and turned those representative organizations into agents of the Party rather than representatives of the workers.
Which is fine. But you can't deny the entire history of worker's rights is haunted by capitalists trying to prevent or entirely suppress it. Socialism has followed the same path. Any time it is implemented from basic worker rights, which is a left socialist goal, it is intentionally poisoned by those in power.
Of course it is. That's why the role of governments in a capitalist society includes protecting workers rights, including union rights. That's best done via democratic representation in a liberal democracy. But the presence of workers rights or union rights doesn't end capitalism.
Oooh, made a choice today did we?
When will these hate crimes against strawmen end!!
Socialism isn't a single system bud, neither is capitalism. Are you suggesting the current state of any society on this planet is utopian? Probably not.
More capitalist countries and empires have fallen than socialist ones. More death happens because of the structure of capitalism. Capitalism has caused more wars. It has existed longer, there's literally no arguing any of what I just stated.
Are any of these arguments good to stop someone from exploring what capitalism can do or offer? No. So stop being stupid.
Historically also, no. No socialist country was allowed to exist without foreign interference.
Stop boiling everything down to a meme you halfwit. We absolutely need more socialist policymaking and a genuine consideration of what society needs to look like.