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[–] onkyo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Communism focusses too much power in too few positions

Literally the opposite of communism

[–] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The ideal of communism, maybe. Yet every country that called itself communist became authotarian. Why is that? Evil tongues might suggest that the ideal of communism simply fails to prevail when confronted with reality.

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Reality being imperialist countries bombing you back into the stone age for not licking their boots.

Stuff must get done to achieve ideals, building a strong state to defend from imperialist threats is basic marxist theory, literally 101 stuff. Marxism is built on materialism not idealism.

[–] Aux@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Marxism is built on violence, slave labour and genocide.

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Marxism is a settler state apparently 😂

[–] onkyo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No country has claimed to have achieved communism. Many other places have tried but it's usually crushed by capitalist or sometimes even by states claiming to be socialist. It's also a really simple and tbh ahistorical explanation to claim that communism didn't work simply because "it was confronted with reality".

[–] Zoboomafoo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

'Evil tongues' was my nickname in high school

[–] Alpharius@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

In theory yes, and you are going to say all communist countries were not "real communism" now ? The USSR was known for its ruthless and violent political scenes. Leaders condemning their opponents' families to discredit them for example. North Korea gives all power to the supreme leader (a communist monarchy lmfao). Communist China is the closest to what you might you believe in but it's insanely violent in the backstage. The closer you are to higher seats of power, the more in danger you are.

On top of that any individual at the top can effectively enact their preferred policies over everyone. Millions died simply because the supreme leader ordered so.

[–] onkyo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Communist China is the closest to what you might you believe in

Either you didn't read what I said or you know nothing about communism. Also like what is with people not understanding that no country has ever claimed to have achieved communism? It's just an objective fact China or the Soviet Union for example never claimed they achieved communism.

[–] BigNote@lemm.ee -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No country has ever achieved it for the rather obvious reason that it's impossible. It's a nice idea, but it's a pipe dream.

[–] onkyo@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No country has ever claimed to achieve it but there are societies both past and present that have created similar societes. Like chiapas in Mexico and Rojava today.

[–] BigNote@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You have to be embarrassingly ignorant of the reality on the ground in Chiapas to imagine for a second that this is true.

Unfortunately for your argument, I happen to know a thing or two about Chiapas, lived and worked there for upwards of a year in the mid 90s, and have no idea WTF you're talking about.

Do tell?

If you're on the Subcommandante Marcos bandwagon, I cordially enjoin you to go fuck yourself.

Marcos was no more than an opportunistic interloper who tried to jump into a much older indegenio fight as a self-aggrandizing and self-appointed power grab.

At no point in time was it ever the case that he was accurately representing the Lacandon as an honest and disinterested party.

[–] onkyo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe take a couple of deep breaths and calm down before you post on the internet? It's an example of self-governed autonomous and democratic communities. If you disagree with that maybe you can explain why it's wrong instead of throwing a fit. Also, maybe you should read up more on what you're talking about because you didn't even use the correct name nor seem to know the meaning of the word Subcommandante.

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[–] TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml -5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The "authority" exists to defend socialist states from the imperialist capitalist states, dummy. Communist states are not going around establishing hundreds of military bases, carpet bombing and genociding countries and creating a media-military propaganda machine for their citizens to fear boogeymen for the horrors their own politicians and corporations are committing against them. This is something Britain, USA and other colonial European states have done and/or are doing to this day since over 5 centuries. In fact, all Western countries that claim to be democracies were full on dictatorships until they looted off hundreds of trillions from Eastern and colonised countries.

[–] ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@TheAnonymouseJoker @Alpharius >Communist states are not going around establishing hundreds of military bases, carpet bombing and genociding countries and creating a media-military propaganda machine for their citizens to fear boogeymen for the horrors their own politicians and corporations are committing against them.

China does a solid chunk of that - they broker deals to use other country's ports as naval bases, they have an ongoing genocide of the Uyghurs and Falun Gong, they were responsible for the mass spread of COVID in late 2019/early 2020, and their propaganda machine is strongly tied to their military.

It is disingenuous to pretend communist states do not do things that the largest communist state in the world does.

[–] TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Your account says Pro-NAFO, blocked. Anything you say is invalid anti-communist brainrot.

Also I already see your lies about China, which seems on point. You clowns are a stereotypical character.

[–] ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st 1 points 1 year ago

@TheAnonymouseJoker >Pro-NAFO

Yes I do support the North American Futanari Organization. Why wouldn't I support it?