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Because people love to not die, and suddenly ending our use of fossil fuels would kill a fuckload of people.
Dude think for half a minute
First off, I disagree with that assessment. But secondly, are you implying climate change won't kill people?
No I'm responding to the idea that communists won't use fossil fuels, which they did, and would.
How do you think Venezuela affords their socialism?
This is just the dumbest take possible.
Where did I say communists don't use fossil fuels? I do maintain they use objectively less though. There just less need less production all around.
Hell, your knowledge about. Venezuela is even incorrect. Its categorically a failed socialist state, not a communist one.
Neither of those things are capitalist, so my statement holds.
If people need to consume fossil fuels, socialists or communists will produce fossil fuels. This isnt rocket science.
"People" are not responsible for the majority of our emissions. Businesses are, as well as the military to an inordinate extent.
Again, I never once mentioned a zero fossil fuel society. You are putting words in my mouth.
People cause there to be demand for fossil fuels, not corporations. Businesses don't burn oil for funsies.
People are absolutely the cause of all carbon emissions. Businesses only exist because there is demand
This is why a carbon tax is an effective means of fighting climate change. It disincentivizes consumption of fossil fuels and thus lowers demand
It's not as simple as that, bro. There's demand for fossil fuels because our entire society was built around it, before we knew it was a problem. Now we do know there's a problem, but our industries and lives are still dependent on energy, with the majority of the energy required to be from fossil fuels. For consumer demand to stop, we'd have to literally stop using energy altogether.
People don't need to consume fossil fuels, though, so... 🤷♂️
Defeated by your own argument
No one said communism "doesn't use fossil fuels", so I'm not sure why you're trying to disprove that
The argument is that climate change is a result of capitalism which is demonstrably false.
So demonstrate it. The vast majority of pollution is caused by extremely profitable capitalist industries, supported by neoliberal capitalist states. And democratic will continues to swing towards reduction, yet states, bought off by fossil fuel companies, refuse to take action.
Those capitalist industries are either transportation or fossil fuels companies, and if they weren't capitalist, they'd still exist, and they'd still make the same shit.
And they'd also have to bend to the will of the people, unlike now. Currently, they are allowed to continue with absolutely no pushback.
Under a democratic market, they'd be forced to scale back fossil fuel production in favour of green energy. Because that's what the people want.
You also still haven't demonstrated your claim.
It doesn't need to end fucking immediately, because of that very reason.
Think for just a second, friendo.
Weird that you'd want economic conditions that don't contribute to new tech rather than economic conditions that do contribute to new tech, then.
Also I'm not your friend.
Source? Do people just not go to school or have ambitions to improve the world, simply because their basic needs are met? You think no one dreams of tech in communism? That a social order based on cooperation and mutual aid would not engender exactly that?
A source on socialism having less incentive to fund new technologies and more barriers in the way of such progress?
It's called "economic incentives" and you are more than capable of giving it a Google.
I tried to find a scholarly article titled "economic incentives" that proves that socialism doesn't heavily invest in technology, but found none. I ended up discovering great leaps in technology in the USSR and China, though.
Also, those economic incentives are driving climate change. I googled it and found that capitalist states pay fucking billions into fossil fuels.