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I've never seen an adolescents defend capitalism. They tend to be either apolitical or anarchists.
I've seen a lot of college kids adamant about the invisible hand of the free market solving all problems.
The communists on Lemmy are cringe as fuck and have to make up these situations to justify their positions.
Also they're nearly all born into wealth lol
Just drop by hexbear some time. It's fucking hilarious to read their discussion thread, because they're all children of software engineers and shit.
I've heard about them, and have no interest in dealing with them.
That's fair
This has to be a lie. I've never seen a single kid educated enough to even know what anarchy is. But they're definitely dumb enough to parrot their parents.
You've never seen a group of adolescents punks? Have ever been outside?
Adolescent punks have zero idea what anarchy is. They just hate their dads
Nobody has any idea what anarchy is. The one tenet of the philosophy is that any time someone tries to define it in any concrete way so that it can be discussed and criticized the anarchists all come out of the woodwork to say "no, that's not it." They never say what it is, though, because it isn't anything.
I can't imagine the depths of arrogance and ignorance it requires to say that a political theory centuries in the making, with countless theorists writing lengthy tomes on the subject, has nothing to it.
I can quite easily summarise what it is, though. People self organising with no hierarchy. If you want it even simpler, anarchy is not having a ruler or leader; you can glean that just from the construction of the word, "an" (without) ,"archy" (rule), literally, "without a ruler". There you go! I very much doubt you've talked to any anarchists, if you've never heard any say that. If you have, you certainly didn't listen.
Mikhail Bakunin
Noam Chomsky
Pierre-Joseph Proudhon
Emma Goldman
Peter Kropotkin
Just a few names for you to look into, in the field that has no consistent theory, because no one knows what it is.
Actually, they have a pretty good idea of the core principle of "rejecting authority". That's the natural state of the adolescent already.
How you would get an adolescent to naturally align with capitalism though, is a mystery for me. Seems like shit lemmygrad would make up.
My rejection of authority is why I'm a liberal.
That makes zero sense
No, it makes total sense. What are you missing?
Liberalism is the dominant ideology enforced by states of the world. It is the establishment, the status quo. Agreeing with it is agreeing with authority. More than that, though, liberalism requires authority to function. So to say you reject authority, yet are a liberal, makes no sense.
Bring "anti-authority" doesn't mean "disliking ideas because they're popular." That's a middle-school-ass take.
Yeah, which is why that isn't what I said. :)
This is middle school shit
Explain how. And while you're at it, how you get from that to "being against authority is rejecting what is popular".
You claimed it is the status quo. I didn't bring up how popular liberalism is. It's popular because it's correct.
It is the status quo, enforced by the state. Here you are bringing up its popularity:
How exactly is the status quo of capitalism, hierarchy, state and exploitation "correct"?
Because we're indoctrinated into it from birth. You have to put up active efforts to ignore or critically examine it, in order to believe differently.
Also, hating your dad isn't rejecting authority, and rejecting authority isn't anarchism. It's pretty close, though.
It could be a regional thing. capitalism is practically a religion in the US that parents indoctrinate their kids into.
We prime them from young ages to buy what the commercials show them
Some regions of the US.
The US is huge, it's not all Alabama
When I was in high school it was still popular for kids to be 'libertarians'. Right-leaning area, naturally.
Same, I’ve only ever seen them be completely oblivious
Almost anything but capitalist, yes. But apperently America (USA) is different. Which also kind of makes sense.
So you never learned what socialism and communism were… you were always a lib, and you’re a lib now lmao
Literal Nazi propaganda, not gonna argue with you.
Saying gobunism killed millions is LITERALLY a Nazi talking point, yes. If you truly don’t know that, just know you’ve been had lmao