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"Antifascism? That's literally fascism"
A phrase spoken only by fascists
For any potential commenters who don't understand, fascism isn't when politically motivated threats of physical violence, it's when far-right-wing, ultra-nationalist, centralized autocracy, belief in and support of social hierarchies, strong regimentation of society and the economy, and politically motivated threats of physical violence
Hey wait a second, one of the political parties in the US fits all those descriptions...
Boiled down, fascism is the belief that one group of humans is inherently better than another and as such should reign superior or wipe anyone out that resists. Could be motivated by racial, political or religious beliefs. In the US, it seems like all of those come together.
From a forign perspective it might as well fit both.
From an outside perspective, it's the difference between someone looking at you with distaste, and someone aggressively attempting to sink a 9" knife into your gut, repeatedly, while standing in a pile of cut up baby corpses. Just because both sides have issues, doesn't mean the 2 are comparable.
If the scenario was what you detailed you would of course be right. But it seems more like:
I don't care who fucks up their own country more. I care about who fucks me up more, which currently is basically the same for both sides.
They're both the same except one of them wants the entire LGBT community dead and one of them wants more renewable energy
But yeah totally both the same
But you don't understand... They aren't LGBT, so it doesn't impact them and are clueless about how climate change affects them, so they don't care.
Fuck off with this absolute bullshit
Which clearly displays the bias in your perspective, maybe you need a new angle.
Look, I can wholeheartedly belive Party A does good for it's country, while Party B does bad. But somehow both do on my expense.
Yeah, that's how taxes work dipshit. Anyways, I thought you were foreign?
I'm indeed not from the USA. I meant expense as in "loss for the sake of something gained".
Well said.
Yeah the Democrats, with their, uhh, ultra-nationalism? Strict social hierarchies? Far right-wing ideology? Uhhhhhhh
I'm not saying you're intentionally ignorant and I know this is a lot of words to read, but...
Which party has more objectively conservative views?
Which party literally has a group called the Proud Boys? Which party tends to manipulate the American flag for all their causes i.e. Thin blue line? Which party thinks America is strictly for Americans and anyone outside our borders is somehow undesirable?
Autocracy is a system of government in which absolute power is held by the ruler, known as an autocrat.
Which party idolizes their leader, flies flags with his name on it, wears his slogan on their clothes? Which party seems to think that anything their leader says is the truth, anyone who disagrees is a liar (fake news, alternative facts)? Which party literally tried to force their leader into power despite losing the election.
Which party keeps reducing and eliminating social benefits because if you're of a lower economic status, you somehow deserve less? Suggesting that the minimum wage shouldn't be increased? And conversely, which party seems to think that billionaires deserve to have that money because they're somehow smarter or work harder?
Which party had a noose hanging outside the capitol on January 6th?
Antifascism isn't fascism, but Antifa, in a lot of public outings (where presumably only a minority of people go) behaves very fascist.
"behaves very fascist"
Yeah those evil fascist protestors doing violence, waving American flags, demanding strict social hierarchies, with ultra-right-wing views
/s
Im talking about Europe. Where I'm from. Not everyone is american.
And your claim is still a big fat lie.
Reasons why I think Antifa is fascist:
Do you not agree with these statements?
Are they also ultra-nationalist, ultra-right-wing, and in favor of strict social hierarchies? There's more to fascism than just being mean to people you don't like
According to Britannica:
Fascism : a way of organizing a society in which a government ruled by a dictator controls the lives of the people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the government
While what I described is not centrally controlled by a dictator (and anyone claiming that Antifa was centrally controlled is a nutcase, I agree), the way Antifa as a collective behaves does try to "control the lives of people, not allowing them to disagree with them" - at least in my opinion. You're free to have your own.
Ok but that's not fascism
Like, according to your own definition that you linked, and your own opinion of the control structure of Antifa, they don't match up
The right uses political and actual violence to prevent people from being themselves. That's not a disagreement. That's actual fascism.
While I don't agree with the right's current direction - I'm talking about Switzerland/Germany, not America here - I have not seen a single incident where they use political and actual violence to get their point across - where I've seen that a lot from the left.
Right wing violence is all over the news the last three years in Germany.
I do however see that Antifa in the EU seem to be a lot more militant than here in the U.S.
Antifa literally just means antifascism. If you are an antifascist you are antifa.
No. Antifa is the Antifaschistische Aktion. It's an organization that exists, although rather loosely organized.
I don't know about your American weird ass bullshit, but that is the actual true Antifa.
There are many organizations under that label, they usually are not organized between each other at all and have very different philosophies of what and how they want to do.
There is no AntiFa e.V.
There's also no Nazi e. V. - yet for some reason Antifa groups like to label everyone not agreeing with them as a nazi.
Suuuuuure.