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I finished Baldur's Gate 2 and moved on to Baldur's Gate 3.
Baldur's Gate 2 still has, or possibly invented, a lot of common RPG trappings that carry through to this day, but it's still very dated in some key ways that sucked the air out of the room, which was a shame, because the bones are solid. Sometimes there are just obscure knowledge checks against the rules of D&D or the monsters therein that make the game unsolvable unless you know the specific answer. Sometimes it's a monster that can only be defeated by +3 weapons or better; sometimes it's magic that can only be countered by specific counter spells. At the start of combat, enemy spells seemingly cast nearly instantly, but the defense spells to beat them take several combat rounds to cast, can be interrupted, or otherwise are ineffective unless you've already cast them before combat started, which means you're save scumming a lot as a necessity. Not only that, but the game throws so much combat at you. I ran out of patience for its combat, after playing through BG1 the month prior, sometime around chapter 4 or 5 out of 7 and just threw it on "Story" mode, which is basically god mode. I enjoyed the story. I enjoyed the decision making. I just wish the designers had more restraint when it came to combat encounters and that they properly signaled these countermeasures, but perhaps they were trying to sell strategy guides.
Baldur's Gate 3 is difficult to put down compared to its predecessors; not just because 5e is easier to understand; not just because the game goes to great lengths to explain its entire rule set; not just because I can avoid repetitive strain on my wrist by using a controller. Though separated by 20 years of game design paradigms, they're remarkably similar games, as they should be, but this one just excels in every area it should. The presentation is phenomenal, all the way through the narrator that infuses some Planescape: Torment DNA into the game that wasn't so much of a thing in the past two BG games. The combat encounters have more restraint; I took on a goblin camp from the inside out and basically faced wave after wave of goblin patrols, and still it felt less taxing than the typical BG2 dungeon, with more systemic ways to interact with the environment and just find clever solutions to things. I just feel like a damn genius and a sense of exhilaration when I get through a combat encounter, as opposed to having a sigh of relief that it's over like I did in the last two games.
I've never played any baldur's gate game and only played the first half of the beginner campaign of 5e. I have seen some dimension 20 shows though.
With that background, can you recommend jumping directly into bg3?I don't really want to play bg2 but bg3 is being hailed as one of the best games in a decade. So I wanted to see how it holds up.
I've played planescape and ice wind dale. Also tyranny. Seemed like a decent genre.
Wife absolutely loves BG3 to the point she ordered some 5e books to better understand the systems. She went in knowing nothing about the lore, the systems, or anything and it quickly became her favorite game of all time.
I have yet to jump in though. Played about an hour, but I feel like I need a good block of time I can dedicate to getting acquainted with the game before I can really start to enjoy it.
Neither of us have played any prior BG games.
Yes. I just have a compulsion that most people don't where I feel like I need to see the earlier games in a series in order to get the proper perspective on the later ones. For instance, with returning characters, winks and nods, etc. It's orders of magnitude more approachable than BG1 and 2, which were harder to get into than Planescape: Torment, IMO. And at least right out of the gate, they don't expect you to have any foreknowledge of what came earlier. I'll bet they'll drop that lore as I get closer to the in-game location, Baldur's Gate, because you do not start there, and I understand that, like the first game, you don't see that city until toward the end.
BG2 is one of those games I wish the gameplay would let me recommend. The story is brilliant and Jon Irenicus is an amazing villain, capped by David Warner's performance, still to this day one of my favorite voice acting performances in a game.
I think the initial premise might have been flawed from the start on the gameplay front anyway. Vincke's already talked about how difficult it would be to tack on a sequel expansion/DLC to BG3 because of how crazy D&D gets at high levels, and Bioware was still pioneering the artificial DM concept back in 2000 to begin with.
Every time Irenicus spoke, I just wanted him to keep talking.
I have no idea what level >12 magic looks like in 5e and why it gets so challenging, other than what little I know of Wish, which is in BG2, but magic was a menace in the under level 12 area of BG1 and 2 also. Just frequent spells that would AoE stun your entire party for the next 10 rounds, which may as well have been an instant kill.