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The Russian commander of the “Vostok” Battalion fighting in southern Ukraine said on Thursday that Ukraine will not be defeated and suggested that Russia freeze the war along current frontlines.

Alexander Khodakovsky made the candid concession yesterday on his Telegram channel after Russian forces, including his own troops, were devastatingly defeated by Ukrainian marines earlier this week at Urozhaine in the Zaporizhzhia-Donetsk regional border area.

“Can we bring down Ukraine militarily? Now and in the near future, no,” Khodakovsky, a former official of the so-called Donetsk People’s Republic, said yesterday.

“When I talk to myself about our destiny in this war, I mean that we will not crawl forward, like the [Ukrainians], turning everything into [destroyed] Bakhmuts in our path. And, I do not foresee the easy occupation of cities,” he said.

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[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Ahh, the rare sane hexbear user I still have hopes for you lot you're definitely not as bad as lemmygrad.

However, let me add something:

It is impossible to conceive of peace until there is a mutually hurting stalemate between the two sides in which neither believe they can win

You leave out the scenario of Russians getting kicked out of the country. Which is going to lead to Putin being sent to his Dacha, and if not and he somehow clings on Ukraine having all its territory opens NATO membership which means that the Russian general staff is going to shit bricks and rather putsch than attack.

What do you think happens if Zelensky signs a peace deal that gives up land? He, a Russian-speaking Jew who used to be on Russian TV and regularly went to the country. He would be deemed a Russian traitorous Jew and would be overthrown and possibly killed by the nationalist and far-right elements within the Ukrainian Army

He a) wouldn't do that and b) since when is Ukraine antisemitic you're confusing it with... pretty much all other countries in that area and c) you don't need to invoke far-right fucks (who are a tiny minority btw) the rest of the country would, well, send him to a Dacha.

And ever if: At that point we'd be in the situation many predicted in the first days of the invasion: Fall of the government, but Ukrainians then fighting a partisan war. And Ukraine right now is just in way too good a position to switch to that.


All in all, the way forward to quick peace is clear: Help Ukraine win this thing. It's both the best option from a direct humanitarian POV by cutting the war short, as well as the best option for wider humanity and the future: Not allowing states intending to conquer to get away with such behaviour. Discouraging wars of aggression is important by itself and one of the reasons why Ukrainians fight so hard, they see the universalism in their own national struggle it just all aligns so well.

[–] Dr_Gabriel_Aby@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

“If we make sure every last Ukrainian dies, they will finally have peace”

  • ^This guy^
[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ahh, reading comprehension, in some places truly a luxury.

[–] Dr_Gabriel_Aby@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

you are welcome. Since you are asking for more people to die than less people to die, and you say it’s for peace. I’ve decided simplifying your long ass post for everyone.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm asking for less people to die:

It’s both the best option from a direct humanitarian POV by cutting the war short,

Because, you see, less people tend to die in a short war than in a long war.

Hence why I'm questioning your reading comprehension.

[–] radiofreeval@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A short war with more intensive fighting. That's just throwing more people into the meat grinder.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Long-range systems can, *drumroll*, disable things from a distance. Right now Ukraine needs to get quite up and close and personal to overcome those lines. One of them incurs more casualties.

[–] radiofreeval@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

"To stop the meatgrinder we must meatgrind more people"

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Indeed have you ever tried to stop a bulldozer you're not sitting in without risking spraining an ankle?

[–] radiofreeval@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your metaphor of stopping a bulldozer by throwing people at it does not convey the point you think it does

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago

I'm talking about storming the cabin.