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[–] judgeholden@hexbear.net 120 points 1 year ago (4 children)

only fair enough, I remember when they made the US and UK do this after killing hundreds of thousands of people in Iraq

[–] jackmarxist@hexbear.net 87 points 1 year ago (38 children)

4.5 Million but yeah, glad that the USA and the UK got sanctioned after leading such a genocidal war. This restores my faith in the rules based order.

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[–] Flyberius@hexbear.net 36 points 1 year ago

This is basically word for word what I was going to post.

[–] Antikythera@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago (5 children)

You're not wrong, but just because the USA and UK got away with it doesn't mean we should continue to let others get away with it. We can't go back in time and fix it but we've got to start somewhere.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 71 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Can you even manage in a fever dream to think that this would set a precedent that would result in the US ever getting punished?

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[–] judgeholden@hexbear.net 57 points 1 year ago (2 children)

it's just a coincidence that this stuff only ever starts with our state enemies huh? only the bad countries get sanctioned for doing the same things we/our allies do. only Russia has to compete with neutral flags. only African leaders get prosecuted in the ICC.

it's all nonsense used to manufacture consent for war and military spending

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

"Not arresting this black man for possession of 0.01 grams of weed isn't going to go back in time and punish all those white guys we let go despite possessing much more weed. Cuff him, boys."

[–] Fazoo@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Russia competes with neutral flags because they can't stop doping. It has nothing to do with us vs them. They literally can't stop cheating.

[–] judgeholden@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago (3 children)

every single athlete at the olympics is doping

[–] Fazoo@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] ikilledtheradiostar@hexbear.net 42 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've tasted all their piss and it all tastes the same.

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[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Common sense?

Have you played sports before? Even at the high school level teenagers are pumping their body full of steriods. I saw them do it myself, I've heard the stories from my friends who played rugby. Just look at top high school rugby or american football teams physiques, or at the cardio capacity of teenage track and field athletes. You really think that level is attainable without performance enhancing drugs, at such a widespread level? You really think that stops once these athletes become adults? How about the fact that all of Usain Bolt's competition got caught doping? You can't be this gullible. Seriously, read the article I've linked below.

https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/bernstein-usain-bolt-is-probably-doping-and-you-know-it/

Russia's sin here was official state involvement, not doping. As long as you pass the drug tests, nothing matters. Remember that Lance Armstrong never failed a drug test. Does that mean he's a clean athlete? Of course not, and neither was any of his competition. The same applies to the Olympics, the same applies to almost all competitive sports.

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[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_doping_cases_in_cycling

There is nothing that makes cycling significantly different from any other sport in terms of the advantages of doping, the testing for it, or the means of evasion.

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[–] StalinwasaGryffindor@hexbear.net 41 points 1 year ago (17 children)

Why are we letting the people responsible for Iraq and Afghanistans current state get away with it? Like if the US wants to arrest a war criminal Bush and Cheney are right there. Same for Blair, or Harper, or any of the other architects of the invasions.

[–] radiofreeval@hexbear.net 40 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Because bourgeoisie law does three things. Firstly it protects capital against individuals. Secondly it protects itself against individuals so it can maintain "order". Finally, it prevents capital against itself, to prevent it devouring itself in competition or sucking hard enough to create a revolutionary populace. Protecting individuals against each other or against capital is not the purpose of law enforcement, much less protecting people from war criminals. (Btw if anyone can find the parenti lecture this was based off, please tell me because i forget)

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[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

"Just because we let the world's most prolific serial killer get away with it doesnt mean he shouldnt be allowed to keep murdering if he pinky swears his victims really deserve it this time."

We can't go back in time and fix it but we've got to start somewhere.

We are in total agreement here, and we can start by seizing the levers of power, purging the government of capitalists, withdrawing all troops from everywhere and using them for reforestation work, dismantling the IMF, paying reparations to every country we've victimized, and putting every fossil fuel executive and lobbyist against the wall for their omnicidal crimes against all terrestrial life.

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