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I agree with the rest of your post, but i'm a bit confused by this comment. Are you saying antifa doesn't exist?
I was just fired from my job as CEO of antifa, RIP
That's a meme that doesn't apply here. People can identify themselves as antifa without there being an central organising body. And it's not a bad thing either
I would consider antifascists as more of a way of thinking shared by a group of people rather than a community lead by people with a hirarchy and stuff
I guess it can be both
It's just roleplay until they actually go outside and participate in events. Which only like a handful at max do.
Antifa is decentralized like BLM. There isn't really an organization so there isn't really a leader. You can't stop antifa because of that. It's more an ideology and philosophy.
So now this begs the question, are "ideologies" "real?" What is reality, simply things you can sense? Is happiness not real? Love? Sadness? Imo, ideologies and concepts can both be described as "real" same as things you can experience with your senses.
It's not real as in it's not an entity. Of course it's a concept, nobody denied that.
I wouldn't be so sure. Without defining terms it seems some people may be confused on your meaning depending on their conception of what constitutes reality, anyway.
I don't think it's worth getting bogged down by semantics, but as it is, I feel like it's pretty clear what it's not
It's not semantics, it's either a deflection or a problem of defining terms. If someone says "something something antifa" you know they're talking about the disorganized association of like minded individuals who self identifies as antifa, which we seem to both agree "exists.” They didn't say "I remember the first time I met Steve Bavelacqua, Chairman of the Board of The Antifas™, he was but a young lad then." Pretending they did is disingenuous and we all know that, it just turns into this exact bullshit where someone claims, ironically semantically, that "The Antifas™" doesn't exist in an attempt to conflate it with "antifa the concept doesn't exist," which is what anyone is talking about when they say "antifa," except maybe Tucker Carlson or some shit. If you really think they're talking about an organized group ask them, if they say "no you idiot I mean the loose association of people who self identify as antifa, not my good friend Steve, owner operator of Antifa LLC," you're good, if they do mention Antifa©®LLCBBC, then correct them. Otherwise it reads as deflection, gaslighting, or denial, since you sound like you're saying the thing which we both agree, even if semantically, is "real," is not real.
Gotcha, my mistake! Thanks for elaborating
https://blacklivesmatter.com/about/
If this website or org that is calling itself BLM dissolves then that org will be gone. BLM itself won't be gone because it is a movement.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Lives_Matter
It's in the preamble if you want to read on it.
So if I register Antifa.com, then I'm the CEO of Antifa?
A VAST majority of BLM protests had nothing to do with this organization.
So why did (and still do) many websites have links urging people to donate to this organization under the name of Black Lives Matter?
Probably because some of those websites are a part of that specific organization.
That doesn't change anything I said.
It's like 2 guys. It's extremely exaggerated by right wingers so they have something to straw man.