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Why exactly? I'm not here to attack you, just understand, and possibly change your mind if you're willing? I noticed from your previous posts that you speak Russian, so I'm assuming you are Russian correct? I'm more curious your perspective than anything, and what you've been hearing about the war. We can carry this to dms if you're more discussing there.
Yes I'm Russian I'm totally against war, but I afraid to speak loud, but I decided if will be mobilized, I would rather go to jail. But anyway Russia is my motherland, I love it, and I hate to hear what foreigners talk about it, making every single Russian guilty.
If your solution to this is “therefore all other nations should just sit by and let my nation take whatever land we want” then maybe labeling you as guilty isn’t so far off.
Your average American has more say over our government than people in Russia do. It took half a decade to build the anti Iraq war movement. It’ll be much harder in Russia than it was in the US. How can you be so quick to judgement when we failed to stop the violence of our state against hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis?
If people were bombing and killing each other in your backyard would you be more concerned with who your government was or how to stop the killing? Personally, I’m more concerned about the immediate well-being of myself and those around me than I am about which state has control over me.
I was hoping people would become more aware of this perspective with the Oppenheimer film in theaters. But, I suppose there is no escape from ideology. So the clock must ever tick forward.
NATO was created as a containment measure to stop communism from spreading from the Russian state. NATO still de facto contains the Russian economy today even though Russia is no longer communist. That’s probably why he’s type “e”.
That’s not to justify Putin’s disgusting and deplorable actions; but it is to put them in context. Why is Ukraine being put in the position where they have to choose between NATO and Russia? How can we end the conflict? How can we save the lives of the people who are being chewed up by the most powerful forces in our society?
You can't see there today there is no military solution?
So you're totally against war, but you don't want those who start wars to get punished. Interesting.
I didn't said that, but I'm sure they won't be punished 🤷♂️ therr is no power to punish them
So you're a russian with a typical defeatist attitude towards your tough situation.
Look, I'm not saying living in russia is easy, but don't get too surprised if people don't like it when most russians silently nod along to everything Putin says.
Because you're afraid to say anything. You can't even feel how to live in that situation.
Gotcha. I don't want to get you in trouble, so no need to say anymore if you don't want.
I used to be very patriotic myself, but America's invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq began to change that for me. I was told it was to defend our way of life, and to bring democracy and freedom to a hostile land. The reality was we were in there for territorial control, to support Saudi-Arabia's regime, for Oil and other resources, and to support an overgrown military industrial complex that demands that we remain in conflict to justify its existence. I went from believing America was the best country in the world to being disillusioned.
I don't know much about you, but I can kinda understand that love for one's country. It's where you were born afterall, where your family and friends are, and it's the cultural background you call home. That's what I still love about my country, and even my region of the US despite everything. I have lived in Japan for the last 7 years, but I will still always see the American south as my home, and I will always have a fondness for it.
I kinda see loving ones country as being a parent. Like a child, you want the best for your country, but you don't want it to go down a bad path, get in trouble, or do something regrettable. My country has done a lot unfortunately, but that's why I'm critical of it. I want my country to do better. Believe it or not, I actually like Russia a lot too. It's culture and food is very interesting to me, and most Russians I have met have been very friendly. This is part of the reason this war in Ukraine has been very excruciating to me. I hate seeing what Russia is doing to Ukraine, yet at the same time, I hate what is happening to the Russians as well. Many of them don't want to fight. Many of them have fled the country or gone into hiding, and many who were not so lucky are dying in Ukraine. I'm relieved you don't want to fight there, but I don't want you too be arrested either. I just hope you stay safe.
This is the way.