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Former President Donald Trump on Sunday called for recusal of the judge presiding over the federal case that alleges he illegally conspired to overturn his election loss to President Joe Biden in 2020.

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[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 45 points 1 year ago (4 children)

He should be doing plea deals. The chances he gets found not guilty of 78 felony charges is minimal. His best scenario after pleading not guilty is 6 months to a year of house arrest. And that’s highly unlikely. He will do time.

[–] penguinsAreRapists@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can you imagine any other citizen having 78 felony charges?

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago (3 children)

We’ve executed people for similar crimes. He’s lucky he has prominence.

[–] somas@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

@TokenBoomer

@MicroWave @penguinsAreRapists

I assume you know that Trump’s mentor, Roy Cohn, was the prosecutor in the case against the Rosenbergs. He’s named in the Wikipedia article.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I did not. It’s like an ouroboros of corruption.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Now tell us about the lawyers who worked for Bush in Bush v. Gore and the makeup of the current Supreme Court.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That should bringer harsher penalties.

[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I think it would be far more fitting a punishment for him to face his remaining few years in absolute misery. None of that “hair”, makeup, luxury, hamberders, women. Left to rot by his children and his whore. No crowds, no adulation, nothing. A pathetic, broken man, never able to escape the confines of his miserable, deeply flawed self. Left only with public humiliation, self pity, and, when the thought is able to penetrate his ironclad narcissism, the knowledge that he will be vilified by history.

[–] Caradoc879@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I admire your optimism and wish I could believe he'll actually face consequences.

[–] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 37 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Prosecutors don't bring cases they can't win. They just don't do it. It reflects badly on them.

Add the fact that prosecuting a former president is incredibly hard. This guy 100% did all of this shit in public. They have:

  • Witnesses
  • Tape of him doing it
  • Video of him doing it
  • The actual documents
  • Witnesses who observed his co-conspirators
  • Tape of the coverup
  • Witnesses to the coverup

There's no way anyone is getting away without a felony conviction. Plus, the lawyers involved are buttercups compared to the federal prosecutors.

I know one federal prosecutor. He is a very nice guy, very smart and will not hesitate to throw white collar criminals in jail. They ruin criminals' lives like it's their day job, because it is.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Prosecutors don't bring cases they can't win.

(Cough, cough) Rittenhouse (cough)

[–] milkjug@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

That wasn't a federal case, was it? I think it was prosecuted at a county level.

[–] whatisallthis@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What happens if he wins the election

[–] kbotc@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

He will pardon himself. The problem is: He can’t pardon himself for states crimes.

[–] athos77@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago

There’s no way anyone is getting away without a felony conviction.

They only need one MAGAt on the jury, and you only get so many challenges to get them out of the pool. It's why he wants to move the case to West Virginia: higher proportion of Trumpsters in the population, better chance of no conviction.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

Not a fan of the establishment, but I think they see him as a legitimate threat. The consequence of not holding him accountable is further disillusionment in the institutions that hold our society together.

[–] whiskeypickle@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

he has a very high chance of dying quite soon, so there’s that!

[–] bizzle@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Evil dies hard, look at Charles Koch.

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Dick Cheney and Henry Kissinger say hello.

[–] whiskeypickle@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Dick Cheney IS dead. that robot heart of his whooshing his blood around doesn’t count as life.

[–] GreenPlasticSushiGrass@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

His original heart is in a phylactery, hidden away from humankind and guarded by dark magic.

[–] whiskeypickle@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

the real joke here is the thought that Dick Cheney would have anything to do with Judaism, even if his life literally depended on it.

[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

How tf are they still alive?

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

That’s a good porn movie title: Evil Dies Hard

[–] Tater_bear@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He has no interest in any deal. He's banking it all on delay till he can get back in office and pardon himself or delay till he dies

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] roguetrick@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The chances of him getting a hung jury is actually incredibly high. I doubt they'll weed out all his supporters in jury selection. I honestly don't think they can convict him.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

The only way he’s getting a hung jury is if Hunter Biden is called. /s Bazinga!

[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Math time! Let's assume that all people who make it to a jury have an X% chance of never voting to convict Trump regardless of the evidence. In order to be found guilty, trump would have 100*(1-X/100)^12 % chance of being found guilty and 100-last number of getting a hung jury. For reference, if X=10%, Trump has a 28.8% chance of being declared guilty.

But wait! There is more! More indictments! Currently three. Let us assume that if a case is hung, the prosecutor doesn't refile it. Let's take the amount we got from the last problem, and call it Y% of getting a conviction. The chances of all three being hung are (1-Y/100)^3, or 100*(1-(1-X/100)^12)^3. Again, let us assume X=10%, then there is a 37% chance that all three are hung, or a 63% chance that he goes to prison. More separate indictments mean more protections from MAGAs making on juries.