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As Trump is gonna put his insane tariffs in place, what do you guys think is the goal here? Because I fear that he is playing 4D chess but making it look like he is playing checkers, and if his tariffs are out into place it'll undoubtedly anger and radicalise lots of Americans especially, and just cause a general shitshow for approval ratings and threaten the domestic safety of capital. Thoughts?

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[–] Jin008@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 days ago (3 children)

You really don't think that over time even Americans will start to wake up? I know their track record is less than abyssmal but still I would like to hold out some hope

[–] CicadaSpectre@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I live in the US and joined a party, but I really don't have much hope. The general mentality I've seen in most USians is that when Trump acts like a despot, they immediately turn to comparing him to socialists. "What are we, a bunch of Asians?!" is unironically how a majority of them act. If capitalists take over government agencies and privatize them, they call it socialism. If capitalism fails and grocery stores run out of food, they call it "communist bread lines". If fascists push for anti-diversity policies and a bloated military, they're equated to the DPRK. As much as I hate to give credit to Orwell, he was very correct about "doublethink".

More and more Americans are being radicalized, but I fear it's not happening fast enough. Maybe I'm being pessimistic, but I think meaningful resistance will be hampered, if not outright betrayed by anticommunist liberals.

[–] maodun@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 8 hours ago

I don't even think ya need anticommunist liberals to hamper meaningful resistance, pacifist "leftists" would be plenty enough.

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 2 days ago

Nope, working americans are more likely to throw themselves at yet another war than overthrowing their bourgeois class.

[–] GreatSquare@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Over time they will wake up and be angry about particular policies but radicalizing implies they would shift a lot further politically. I don't think the majority of Americans will do that.

Us Lemmygradders would have to take far smaller, more realistic steps to build any sort of popular political power in America or anywhere in the West.

I'm in Australia and even collective bargaining from unions generates a lot of resentment when it is powerful enough to disrupt everyday life. e.g. our Sydney train drivers had a big strike recently. There's no solidarity with them from most of the public.