politics
Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!
Rules:
- Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.
Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.
Example:
- Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
- Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
- No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
- Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
- No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
That's all the rules!
Civic Links
• Congressional Awards Program
• Library of Congress Legislative Resources
• U.S. House of Representatives
Partnered Communities:
• News
view the rest of the comments
He would definitely not win. What he did is a Nazi salute. Whether he thinks what he did is one doesn't matter because he did a Nazi salute.
If I flip someone off, I can tell people I was just letting that person know I think they're number 1, but that doesn't mean I didn't flip them off.
It takes a real coward to not call out a very clear and worldly infamous hand gesture that has existed for 80+ years, when a man that also spews hate rhetoric throws it not just once but multiple times. Further, to my knowledge he has never even denied it, just joked about it and criticized people that criticize him.
I take issue with you using the adverb definitely here.
We don’t know how a court would see this and whether the gesture itself is enough or whether you need to have intent to be doing that.
It’s well documented that this racist doofus is a little awkward and he could reasonably say he was trying a dab and messed it up. You can’t prove intent with something like this. I do believe he was doing a Nazi salute for what it’s worth, but the courts have a higher burden of proof than I do.
He would win because it is not just a Nazi salute. As another description can be used and he isn’t known to be a member of a Nazi organization and “nazi” is an insult Musk would gave what he needs to win a libel suit.
If you haven’t noticed the media that calls it a “Nazi” salute tend to be in countries where libel is harder to establish than in the USA. There’s a legal reason behind why all these American papers are avoiding this.
Finally even IF these media sources did win they will be out millions in legal fees.