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Mostly out of curiosity, but also somewhat related to Proton's recent political involvement, I'm curious about alternatives to using their services, open to suggestions for:

  • Proton Mail: anything that can support custom domain, email aliases, and email scheduling?
  • Proton Drive: not the most important, but interested in privacy first, encrypted hosting services
  • Proton Pass: anything I should take a look at besides Bitwarden and Keepass?
  • Proton VPN: that one's the hardest, it was really good, I think Mullvlad is the one most often recommended?
  • Proton Calendar: didn't really care about that one, but it was nice that it connected to Mail

My Unlimited plan renewed in December so I'll probably keep it for a year, it was nice having only one subsctiption to keep in mind, but I'm thinking of exploring other options

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[–] hellfire103@lemmy.ca 29 points 1 week ago (5 children)

If you must:

  • Proton Mail/Calendar ➡️ Posteo, Tutanota, Mailbox.org
  • Proton Drive ➡️ Tresorit, Nextcloud, Filen, Syncthing, MEGA
  • Proton Pass ➡️ KeePass
  • Proton VPN ➡️ Mullvad VPN, IVPN, Windscribe
  • Proton Wallet ➡️ Cake Wallet, Electrum

Some of these don't have first-party mobile or desktop clients, so here are some apps to use them with:

  • Posteo & Mailbox.org - Thunderbird (desktop, Android), FairEmail (Android), Evolution (Unix-like), Geary (Unix-like), Claws Mail (desktop), Fossify Calendar + DAVx^5^ (Android)
  • KeePass: KeePassXC (desktop), KeePassDX (Android), KeePassium (iOS)
[–] PirateFrog@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

One really nice advantage for Posteo is even if you stop paying, they'll never delete your account unless you specifically delete it yourself(preventing address recycling, unlike mailbox.org) and you can still access your account and recieve emails, you just can't send any until you pay again. They won't even delete it from inactivity.

That's a rather unique feature in the email world now.

[–] falsemirror@beehaw.org 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'll just add:

  • Proton drive => Seafile (selfhosted)
  • protonpass => bitwarden
[–] hellfire103@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I stopped using Bitwarden. Unless I'm mistaken, they were about to start doing some closed-source stuff.

[–] Tingly3771@beehaw.org 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's not exactly what happened, they pushed more of their code into their own library that was not permissively licensed but then they open sourced it so the issue was resolved. https://github.com/bitwarden/clients/issues/11611#issuecomment-2436287977

[–] hellfire103@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago
[–] biofaust@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Seconding Tutanota. Started using it this week and it is so...simple! There are 2 apps on Android, but actually only the Tutamail one is needed.

I also use Nextcloud through a private cloud implementation, and it is not refined in the UI, but good enough.

[–] Imhotep@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I agree with many recommendations

but as someone who has tried many VPN providers I can say Windscribe is really bad (for servers in the EU at least).
Slow, few servers, unreliable, and blocked on many websites

surprisingly I see it recommended all the time

[–] Kyle@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 days ago

An assessment of windscribes European performance is helpful because I had no idea.

I'm in Canada (windscribe is Canadian), and find windscribe to be pretty good. So maybe it depends on location.

[–] eclipse@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I wouldn't touch MEGA with a ten foot pole.

I'd also argue BitWarden shits on Keepass for UX.

[–] Swarfega@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Yes. I use KeePass every day but it's not similar to Bitwarden and Proton Pass which are very similar to each other.

I will ask, although this is a question for everyone I suppose. Why not use MEGA if your also using Cryptomator?

[–] eclipse@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

If you're (sensibly) encrypting your data before sending it off site, then yes it likely makes little difference where you send it. The parent comment didn't mention adding your own crypto however.

Further, I just personally wouldn't trust my data to a personality like "Kim dot com".