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[–] Robert_Kennedy_Jr@hexbear.net 35 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (8 children)

You're welcome or I'm sorry.

What is the rule about looking at women in public? As a red-blooded male, I would like to stare, but of course that’s rude and possibly antisocial. In the past, when I’ve taken a quick glance and got caught, I was given sharp, disapproving looks from the woman and, often, some bystanders. I’ve always been a loner, so I didn’t always get clued in on proper etiquette. When I married, I asked male co-workers what to do about looking at women, considering my new status. One said, ‘‘You’ve got to smell the roses along the way.’’ I took that to heart and continued to ogle women. This eventually led to my divorce. When women wear tight pants, it seems unfair: They are very sexy, but men are not allowed to look. What do women prefer in this situation? I want to do the right thing. — Name Withheld

From the Ethicist: It’s clear that you’ve sometimes looked at women in a way that made them feel uncomfortable. Glancing at someone in a public place is always permissible; there’s often a fleeting moment of mutual acknowledgment — perhaps a slight nod or smile — before both parties look away. This momentary connection is part of how we experience our shared social world. No doubt if you find the person attractive, your glance may well linger involuntarily for a moment. But prolonging that moment further can cross a line. We can’t control our initial notice of others; we can control our subsequent choices. I suspect your ‘‘quick’’ glance wasn’t so quick. In public settings, it’s generally intrusive to display sexual interest. That it may sometimes be welcomed doesn’t change the situation. Yes, a brief friendly glance that produces a smile and a direct reciprocating look can mean you’re being invited to maintain eye contact. But if there’s any doubt, the unease caused by leering is bad enough that you should err on the side of averting your gaze. In your case, there normally should be doubt. Being aware of whatever shortcomings we may have in the skills of everyday life can guide us toward better practices. Just as people who know they have a poor sense of direction learn to check maps more often, someone who struggles to read social signals around looking would do well by being reserved and not risk making others uncomfortable. It’s a matter of taking the trouble to do what, for you, doesn’t come naturally, and adopting habits that respect everyone’s dignity. When it comes to men looking at women, in particular, there’s a broader social context in which women often experience unwanted attention or feel unsafe. The sexual etiquette I’ve described allows men and women to enjoy public spaces as equals. That’s why we wrong strangers when we fail to respect these rules. Such everyday courtesies are part of what it means to share a world.

[–] BountifulEggnog@hexbear.net 11 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

One said, ‘‘You’ve got to smell the roses along the way.’’ I took that to heart and continued to ogle women. This eventually led to my divorce.

lol, lmao even.

[–] Robert_Kennedy_Jr@hexbear.net 5 points 4 hours ago

Yeah it's fun extrapolating what else happened between those last two sentences.

[–] Hexboare@hexbear.net 14 points 7 hours ago

The sexual etiquette I’ve described allows men and women to enjoy public spaces as equals

I don't think this dickhead should be allowed out into public spaces

[–] NotLuigi@hexbear.net 35 points 9 hours ago

I took that to heart and continued to ogle women. This eventually led to my divorce.

When my parents got divorced, my dad started telling people they got divorced because she wouldn’t stop smoking. He cheated on her multiple times and she found out. Same vibes.

[–] AcidSmiley@hexbear.net 26 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

From the ethicist: I have forwarded your letter to AcidSmiley. She has dispatched the Red Guards so you can learn how to not be a mega creep on a collectivized farm, where you can "smell the roses along the way" in a more literal sense (the roses are actually turnips tho).

I knew this was going to be bad, i knew it would be worse than expected when i read "as a red-blooded male", but i did not expect that.

[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 4 points 4 hours ago

The only thing worse than "as a red-blooded male" is "I'm/he's old-fashioned".

[–] Parzivus@hexbear.net 63 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

This eventually led to my divorce.

Why do I get the feeling that there was way more going on here than staring at other women

[–] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 46 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I stir my coffee counterclockwise. This eventually led to my divorce.

[–] lil_tank@hexbear.net 47 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

In the past, when I’ve taken a quick glance and got caught, I was given sharp, disapproving looks from the woman and, often, some bystanders.

The "quick glance" in question: awooga

[–] Moss@hexbear.net 27 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Please please please tell me this is satire and not the real article

[–] Robert_Kennedy_Jr@hexbear.net 6 points 4 hours ago

If I had written this it would have had some Sir Mix-a-lot lyrics sprinkled in.