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Trump plans to lift the Biden administration’s freeze on supplying 2,000-pound bombs to Israel and reverse sanctions against Israeli settlers.

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[–] a9cx34udP4ZZ0@lemmy.world 7 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

Yes, "held accountable" because you can't imagine a world in which geopolitics means you can't just cut off all support to an ally with an "or else".

The only thing worse than the morons too stupid to see that Trump is going to do what he says, are the morons who think that you can just drop all aid to Israel overnight and nothing will happen. Do any of you have ANY idea how intertwined both our military and tech sectors are?

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 7 points 18 hours ago

Reagan threatened Israel with cutting off all aid, unless they play ball. And they did.

Without the US supporting Israel its other allies would also abandon it quickly.

So all the US has to do to make Israel do what the US says is withhold support until Israel obeys.

What Biden did instead was throwing the US to the feet of Israel, at best rambling and making token gestures. So the US halted 2.000 pound bombs? That surely didnt stop Israel from annihilating people in Gaza with the other bombs the US kept delivering.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 5 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

The only thing worse than the morons too stupid to see that Trump is going to do what he says, are the morons who think that you can just drop all aid to Israel overnight and nothing will happen.

That's one of my favorite excuses for Democrats breaking promises and/or doing nothing: It's hard. (As if we shouldn't expect the people we elect to do hard things.)

And yes, when Israel wants more WMD's to perpetrate a genocide, I would expect a conscientious president or legislators to do something about it and say no.

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works -3 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

They said the same thing about Apartheid South Africa. You think it was easy to cut ties with them? They were also tied into our military industrial complex.

And I find the argument "but it's going to be haaard" despicable.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Do you think apartheid ended overnight?

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 minutes ago

You're mistaking "it took a long time to end Apartheid" with "we shouldn't even try to end Apartheid."

[–] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 8 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Negotiations to end Apartheid took 6 years (1987 to 1993)! The US started placing sanctions in 1986, and the transition away from Apartheid didn't start until 1990. Apartheid wasn't fully ended until 1994.

They said it was hard to cut ties with them, and they were right. Global politics is harder than, "just do it." Biden didn't solve the genocide in a year, but he was working with a more difficult situation than just cutting off money/weapons. If he does that, then every country around Israel starts taking advantage of it and he has a much bigger situation to deal with. I don't agree with how little Biden did to stop the genocide. I don't agree with Harris not being vocal about putting even more pressure on Israel. But there is more at play than just "don't send weapons."

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 5 points 17 hours ago

Voters weren't expecting Biden to issue a complete trade embargo with Israel. What they were expecting was for Biden to FOLLOW US LAW and stop shipping arms to Israel, a country flagrantly violating law. There is a universe of possibilities between "stop sending Israel bombs on our dime" and "turn Israel into Cuba."

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 6 points 18 hours ago

You'll notice that started with sanctions. "There will be a long time between pressure and results" isn't an argument to not start the pressure.