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Proton is dead (for me). Let's collect and discuss alternatives! ✊🛡 (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) by ShotDonkey@lemmy.world to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

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In an unexpected mask off "secure" email and VPN provider Proton took the stance of siding with the fascist MAGA Reps. Proton's services are no option for me and many others any longer. Let's collect and discuss alternatives (E2E encrypted email and VPN) here 🔐👇

Always try to provide:

-Server location (jurisdiction)

-Governance

-Integrity/trustworthiness/transparency

-User experience/ease of use (grade 1 to 10, lets take Proton as a benchmark with an 8)

-Pricing and links

If you know alternative setups, feel free to share, too.

#ProtonExodus

Background: https://lemmy.ca/comment/13913116

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[–] schnapspraline@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

My personal recommendations:

https://uberspace.de/

Server location (jurisdiction): Germany
Integrity/trustworthiness/transparency: About-Page
User experience/ease of use (grade 1 to 10, lets take Proton as a benchmark with an 8): 6
Pricing: Based on solidarity, but recommend minimum is 5 € per month

https://www.hostsharing.net/

Server location (jurisdiction): Germany
Integrity/trustworthiness/transparency: well, you own part of hostsharing if you use it (collective-ownership)
User experience/ease of use (grade 1 to 10, lets take Proton as a benchmark with an 8): 6
Pricing: 64 € onetime payment + 10 € per month (cooperative)

Other recommendations:

mailbox.org, systemli.org, riseup.net, posteo.de (as far as I know all of them are located in Germany)

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 2 points 23 hours ago

Systemli requires an invite code last I checked? Disroot does not.

[–] No1@aussie.zone 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Excuse my ignorance, but why is Germany a good place for privacy vs proton's Sweden?

And also eg, versus a non EU nation ?

[–] schnapspraline@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

https://digitalcourage.de/blog/2021/history-german-privacy-movement

[–] Zombie 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

TLDR: The Gestapo and Stasi

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"uh uh. you aren't doing that shit to me again"

meanwhile, on the other side of the atlantic

"spy on me daddy"

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 2 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

US never had fascism, so they're experimenting and learning the hard way

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 2 points 22 hours ago

oh man. we're the og fascists. our policies inspired european fascism. we've done all the key components of a fascist regime before: the forced labor, the death camps, the mass surveilance, the overt militarism, the desperate need to expand and get rid of the people who were already there

[–] ShotDonkey@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Thanks!