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The Duff CEO with a Windows-Logo on his forehead: "Gamers use Windows because of its' user experience not our de facto monopoly."

Next Image: Duff CEO with Windows-Logo in front of a "Out of Business" sign. Subtitle: "30 minutes after SteamOS is released"

Edit: Yo, I'm not saying this is gonna happen. I just want to say that Windew's UX sucks ass.

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[–] stevedice@sh.itjust.works -2 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Congratulations? How does that help Linux adoption, though.

[–] msage@programming.dev 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

We don't need spy backdoors in Linux, keep that shit in Windows.

Adoption does not include bad things.

[–] stevedice@sh.itjust.works -1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, it does. Whoever wants to install the "spy backdoors" should be able to. It's called freedom. Look it up.

[–] msage@programming.dev 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

You can break it yourself if you compile your own kernel. I do, btw.

No need to support it for the general public.

[–] stevedice@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

No need to support it for the general public

Unless the general public wants to play a game that requires it. You're living in your own world.

[–] msage@programming.dev 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Stop giving companies excuses to do outrageous shit.

Like it's absolutely mindboggling how much shit do people eat in order to play a game. Kernel level anticheat has access to your entire computer, and you can't even know what it does.

And for absolutely no benefit at all. You can make anticheats on server, or simple client stuff without reading your entire memory.

[–] stevedice@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 hours ago

I know exactly what it is, I also know it's what people want.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 3 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Well if they are losing out on sales due to practices that are incompatible with Linux then companies are less likely to use those practices in the future.

[–] stevedice@sh.itjust.works -1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

Remember back when people said nothing was wrong with Linux gaming and it was actually game studios that had to start developing for Linux so the studios changed their practices and started developing native Linux games? Yeah, me neither.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 3 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Because people were still buying the games on Windows. If people start actively not buying things then it encourages change. If people complain but still buy it anyway then nothing will change. Vote with your wallet (which is what OP is doing).

[–] stevedice@sh.itjust.works 0 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Voting with your wallet doesn't work when you're 3% of the 3%. It didn't work to get games on Linux and it won't work to get rid of kernel anticheat. Wanna know what works? Making things work. Like Valve did with Proton while people like OP were voting with their wallet.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

So what is your problem with what OP is doing? That they aren't personally releasing games to compete with the ones using kernel level anti-cheat?

Like Valve did with Proton while people like OP were voting with their wallet.

Do you think that was profitable for Steam (from people voting with their wallet), or do you think Steam did it for charity out of the kindness of their hearts?

[–] stevedice@sh.itjust.works -3 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

My problem is that being in denial about the state of gaming on Linux (better than before, still garbage) does nothing to improve the state of gaming on Linux.

Do you think that was profitable for Steam (from people voting with their wallet), or do you think Steam did it for charity out of the kindness of their hearts?

You seem to think that Valve developed Proton to capture the Linux marketshare. That's unbelievably naive.

[–] msage@programming.dev 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

How is gaming support on Linux "still garbage"?

90% of games work out of the box. No tweaks, just press play.

You have options for launchers, Steam, Heroic, Lutris...

I've dropped Windows about 8 years ago, and I missed on a couple of games, mostly due to the anticheat bullshit.

I even mod my games on Linux without issues.

There were more issues with gaming on Windows than issues I had on Linux.

[–] stevedice@sh.itjust.works -1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

It could be 99% of games and it wouldn't matter if the remaining 1% are what people actually wanna play. Support for games outside of Steam is beyond the capabilities of most PC users. Most people don't actually enjoy playing Troubleshooting Simulator.

[–] msage@programming.dev 1 points 41 minutes ago

I play games outside of Steam as well?

Wtf, those launchers play games without issues outside the Steam? What are you talking about?

And if that last 1% of games does crazy shit, it can stay on Windows. There is no need to fully support everything from Windows (down to exploits) on Linux.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

You seem to think that Valve developed Proton to capture the Linux marketshare. That's unbelievably naive.

Okay, so why did they develop it?

[–] stevedice@sh.itjust.works -1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Because Microsoft has the power to end Steam almost overnight so Valve is desperately trying to move people away from Windows. Linux just happened to be a useful tool but Proton aims to capture the Linux userbase about as much as ChromeOS does.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

Microsoft has the power to end Steam almost overnight

You want to explain that one? Yes, Steam was exclusively on Windows, but how exactly would Microsoft "end them almost overnight" without immediately being slapped with significant lawsuits? Do you honestly believe Microsoft would put something in their code that specifically excludes Steam?

You call me nieve and then claim the reason was wild conspiracy theories...

[–] stevedice@sh.itjust.works -1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Lawsuits won't do anything to stop Microsoft in the short term, look at what happened to Netscape. Valve understands that "voting with your wallet" doesn't work because the majority of people will buy whatever the current monopoly holder tells them to buy.

wild conspiracy theories...

Do you live under a rock? Valve has been very clear about their intentions since the days of the Steam machines.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/valve-windows-8-is-a-catastrophe-for-pcs/

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

"I think we'll lose some of the top-tier PC/OEMs, who will exit the market. I think margins will be destroyed for a bunch of people. If that's true, then it will be good to have alternatives to hedge against that eventuality."

It was done for profit. The exact thing I've been saying.

[–] stevedice@sh.itjust.works -1 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

That quote doesn't mean what you think it means. And you haven't been saying it was done for profit, you've been saying it was done because "people voted with their wallet".

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 points 5 hours ago

you haven't been saying it was done for profit, you've been saying it was done because "people voted with their wallet".

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[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Companies will do something if they have a profit incentive to do so. They will not do things if they do not have a profit incentive to do so. People voting with their wallet creates a profit incentive.

[–] stevedice@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 hours ago

People voting with their wallet creates no profit incentive. It's what I've been trying to explain to you since your very first comment.