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[–] NutinButNet@hilariouschaos.com 34 points 2 days ago (2 children)

We pull back too much because Islamic nutjobs will get violent because you dared draw a picture that resembled their stupid prophet. By doing that, we are giving them what they want and telling other religious groups that if they get violent enough, we’ll stop to appease them too.

You can mock Jesus, Moses, Krishna and any other religious figure because their followers, at worse, are going to verbally protest, if they do anything at all. But draw fucking Muhammad and people will tell you to knock it off because we don’t want to upset the assholes who will riot and kill people because they can’t handle someone having a differing opinion. Society bends over backwards to not offend Islam out of fear.

In response, we should have doubled down. Make more cartoons, get more vulgar with it…go all in, not stopped to appease them. Some people did for a while immediately after the attack, but not enough and not long enough, imo.

[–] Not_mikey@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Would your response be the same if an outright racist or transphobic comic was murdered? Would you spread racist and transphobic content to assert your free speech?

Society bends over backwards to not offend Islam out of fear.

Not drawing cartoons is not bending over backwards. If they were trying to get women being veiled, or ban abortions or homosexuality then yeah we should tell them to fuck off. But if they're just asking to not say a word or draw something that isn't necessary to political dialog then it's fair for society to respect that. It should be enforced by being ostracized not killed though.

People shouldn't be shot for saying the n word but if someone did get shot for saying it we shouldn't all go around saying the n word because being intentionally offensive is still a dick move. Again not one that should be punished with death.

Would your response be the same if an outright racist or transphobic comic was murdered? Would you spread racist and transphobic content to assert your free speech?

Sure, why not? I feel that way about Dave Chappelle and the crap he got for making jokes about “the t” in LGBT. We can make jokes about everyone else but as soon as it comes to transgender people, that’s off limits? No. Don’t think so. Carry on, Dave. He did exactly what I recommended here by doubling down when people made a big deal over it.

But if they're just asking to not say a word or draw something that isn't necessary to political dialog then it's fair for society to respect that. It should be enforced by being ostracized not killed though.

There are Christians who ask for this and it is absolutely not respected. There were protests for things like “The Last Temptation of Christ” and many other media since and instead society continues to poke fun at Jesus.

So why is it respected when it comes to Muhammad but not for Jesus despite a portion of the population asking for him to not be satirized? Is it because they’re not vocal enough? Or is it because people fear for their lives because psychos murder over a cartoon?

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

On the other side, if you do double down and get vulgar then you'll find lot of racists joining in with you. That's the dilemma of criticizing or satirizing Islam while also staying away from xenophobes.

[–] NutinButNet@hilariouschaos.com 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Why doesn’t the same happen for Hinduism? It’s mocked relentlessly and is predominately practiced by non-whites, perhaps even more so than Islam, but we never hear any worries of racism for it. Why do we worry for one religion and not another? What about Judaism? It’s perhaps the most mocked/satirized religion throughout history and the only one that actually shares its background with a race, but we never worry about racism towards it like Islam?

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Why doesn’t the same happen for Hinduism?

Are you sure about that? Do you even know what is happening in India ever since Modi's party got into power? Please don't talk out of your ass.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_incidents_of_cow_vigilante_violence_in_India

[–] NutinButNet@hilariouschaos.com 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Oh okay I missed one example lol you got me.

What about Judaism? You left that question unanswered. If we’re really that worried about racism, I would think we’d be more cautious when it comes to mocking anything Jewish-related, wouldn’t we? But that’s not the case at all as their religion is mocked and satirized freely.

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

What about Judaism?

Uhm look at Zionists? Seriously?

Just because you think these religions are fine with comedy (they're not but those voices are miniscule) doesn't mean they're fine with everything you say about those religions.