this post was submitted on 06 Jan 2025
239 points (96.1% liked)

Technology

60328 readers
4665 users here now

This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.


Our Rules


  1. Follow the lemmy.world rules.
  2. Only tech related content.
  3. Be excellent to each another!
  4. Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
  5. Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
  6. Politics threads may be removed.
  7. No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
  8. Only approved bots from the list below, to ask if your bot can be added please contact us.
  9. Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed

Approved Bots


founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 24 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

Eh all these companies operate as loss leaders until they capitalise the market.

  • CNBC has confirmed that OpenAI expects about $5 billion in losses on $3.7 billion in revenue this year — figures first reported by The New York Times.
  • Revenue is expected to jump to $11.6 billion next year, a source with knowledge of the matter confirmed.

So yeah some small loses here and there to make back far more in the future.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 days ago

Which is fine in theory, but "expected" based on what?

They haven't demonstrated any ability to meaningfully improve their models ("meaningfully" meaning "sufficient to actually address the very serious concerns about their practical usability), they haven't shown any ability to meaningfully capture enterprise sales for their API, and their conversion rate on free users to paid users is abysmal. Their only stated plan to increase revenues is doubling their prices, which given their already terrible user retention doesn't actually seem like a reliable way to bring revenue up. Jacking up prices only works when your users find you indespensible, and everything OpenAI offers can be found elsewhere for less.

[–] hark@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

The assumption is that they'll develop some kind of moat, but there are plenty of other AI models on offer or in development. It would also be useless capturing a market when the companies that would be their customers realize they're not making money on the AI themselves.

[–] Windex007@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You have to get people hooked on your product, though.

If they and every other AI company just evaporated no one would really be bothered.

You can't capitalize a market that doesn't really exist.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago

This is exactly the problem. There are plenty of people who will crawl out of the woodwork to tell you how they've found a way to make AI "useful", but very, very few could put their hand on their heart and say that it was "essential" to their workflow or their own happiness and wellbeing in any meaningful way.