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Hey is Sharing Luigiβs Manifesto on Social Media Actually "Glorifying Violence"? Because Reddit Said So π
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this post was submitted on 15 Dec 2024
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Fucking team politics. Just because I'm challenging how you view the world does not mean I'm on the other team.
I understand what you're saying. The answer is yes, we choose when violence is justified.
Lemmy doesn't do well with nuanced discussion. The communication dilemma present is the lack of the bridge between where one party in the discussion wants to continue narrowing the parameters of discussion until we are left with a binary choice (the quantum side of discussion) and the other party wants to keep the discussion broad and cognizant of all the variables (the general relativity side of discussion).
Both sides have valid reasons for existing. Usually you do have to narrow parameters in order to actually come up with a solution or action to implement. Similarly to how in a valid experiment you attempt to control all variables except what you're testing. But you also have to be aware of all the variables in the first place to adequately control them.
And from what I've seen, narrowing it to glorifying violence is nothing more than an attempt to terminate the discussion altogether.
Yeah, that may be true. Some people have their minds made up and they somehow think any further discussion is somehow a weakening of their position or something like that.
I like to think that any fear of discussion simply means you're afraid your reasons aren't sound and you don't want to question the reality that you may be acting on emotions rather than reason. I think you can definitely have this discussion rationally and still end up supporting what happened.
Oh I know you can have this conversation rationally and come out supporting the shooter.
Dfc
That was a serious question. If things are okay just because we like them and not okay just because we don't then what kind of morals are acting on? Yeah it came because I was frustrated that people can't seem to get off trying to evade the idea of glorification. But it's still serious, if your knee jerk reaction is to say it's not a glorification because it's justified then you run a real risk that vigilantism is only part of. Authoritarian states work the same way.
That's not the situation, nor what anyone is asserting. Who are you talking to?
I see that all over this thread and this issue.
See better.
From just above. Literally the person who made me ask that question. And sure enough it's a call to mob violence while maintaining they are non violent. This is how this shit gets out of hand.
None of that amounts to this:
The reasons this was justifiable have been explained to you ad nauseum. You insist on pretending like its an arbitrary whim despite that. Do you cry every time a drug cartel kingpin gets shot?
They literally appealed to the band wagon and a nebulous concept of "social murder".
You absolutely suck at articulating a point. Here, let me do it for you: the problem with vigilante justice is that the lack of a process around who gets got means that eventually someone is going to kill someone who didn't deserve it. While Brian Thompson was a worthless parasite who literally thrived based on how much he could increase human suffering, the answer is to reform the systems that allow him to exist, rather than calling for random people to take matters entirely into their own hands and kill whomever they deem unworthy of life. The answer is to bring genuine health care reform into the democratic realm and get to a point where health insurance companies that have a direct profit-motive to deny as many claims as possible either do not exist, or are regulated to within an inch of their lives.
That's a great point but if you look at some of my other comments here, it's not the one I'm making. I am against mob violence. But by articulating our limits we can also limit the possibility that this spills over into higher level mob violence that targets the hated person of the day.