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I’ve known a few in the U.S., and even worked at one. Maybe people won’t become billionaires doing this, but why wait for a complete overhaul of society to implement more of what are good ideas.

I’d also like to see more childcare co-ops, or community shared pre-k schools. Wheres the movement to build communities and pool resources around these business models in the US? In short, co-ops are the closest socialist/communist business model that’s actually implemented in the U.S., so why are more leftists not doing this?

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[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 44 points 1 week ago (2 children)

They are run out of business, most simply.

The operation that does not focus their profits on building further capital and establishing monopoly will fail in the arms race of those that do.

For example: there are countless community and public efforts establishing childcare and pre-k through pooled resources. They are in direct competition with things like Bezos' childcare academies. (Personal anecdote: they bought out my kids' building for public pre-k and evicted them.)

And a successful co-op will get pressure to be bought out like a start-up. (Often starts as a great way to expand! Then the expansion changes the culture, the new location feels corporate and the original location is later shut down and left vacant. -Also personal anecdotes for a grocery co-op and an employee owned operation I once worked at.)

Not every business needs to expand, though. There are quite constrained markets for very specialized goods or services. I know several B2B companies that have 10-20 employees, serve several dozens up to few hundred rather small, regional customers, and they're perfectly happy with that.

[–] nifty@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I am sorry, but what does bought out mean? The person running it simply didn’t have to sell. If you’re saying “money was too tempting”, then isn’t that an inherent flaw in any Marxist Leninist theory in practice? So let’s say, the business wasn’t run by someone who cared enough about others and got greedy, so why not start one where you pick the right people? If you can’t do that, then why should any state ever cede over production to workers? How would we ensure greed doesn’t take over then?

[–] yarr@feddit.nl 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If you’re saying “money was too tempting”, then isn’t that an inherent flaw in any Marxist Leninist theory in practice?

HA, yes, yes it is. Marxist Leninist works most effectively when everyone is moralistic and considers the larger picture. It doesn't work when you have a world of selfish money grubbers. Notice which system is winning today?

I'd like to see you own a small business and get offered 10x its value by a large corp. Then you can see whether you want to maintain your praxis or retire on a nice beach somewhere the rest of your life.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Marxist Leninist works most effectively when everyone is moralistic and considers the larger picture.

Which is why it can never work

[–] deafboy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

That's one of the most dangerous myths about marxism and similar ideologies.

It wouldn't work even if everybody had their best intentions in mind, and did their absolute best to contribute.

[–] yarr@feddit.nl 1 points 1 week ago

Which is why it can never work

That's right. OP had an amazing moment of self-awareness.

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago

In the one example with the grocery co-op: I can assure you, few if any, of the people involved with the co-op were Marxist-Leninists, let alone comfortable with Marxism or the 'S' word. So that was kind of a critical flaw in any Marxist-Leninist theory in practice.

A lot of people practice forms of community action without having any sort of class consciousness. A wealthy philanthropist can offer a bunch of money with strings attached and people will jump at the promises without second thought and rarely keep up with the follow-through.

Point I was making nonetheless was these operations tend to exist under seige from competing and profiteering interests. If I remember correctly the grocery co-op was having issues making the skyrocketing rent payments for the commercial lot. That was the problem the money solved: the one created by the landlord.

So in a sense I was saying 'the pressures of capital tend to be too great' than money being tempting or greed from the community.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

In that model they wouldn't be able to sell without the workers agreement.