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[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 33 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I don't think Manson, Gacy, or Dahmer are idolized.

Simpson and Tyson are idolized for their non-criminal activities, not because they're criminals. They're not famous for being criminals, whereas most of the others are.

Trump is definitely an interesting one though...lol

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Dahmer is one of those who had prison groupies. As do the Columbine shooters, Harris and Klebold. Apparently there's a certain kind of chick that gets lubed up for mass murderers.

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago

That's a good point. I wouldn't call that mainstream, though.

I'm not sure if Al Capone gets support the way that Walter White does or if he's more of a Robin Hood...but a lot of the "heroic criminals" in US folklore (especially the criminals of the "wild West" who robbed banks and supported the poor) are purely the Robin Hood types.

Dahmer's fans are crazy. As are the Columbine Shooters' fans. But Robin Hood-types could generally be supported by the general person without raising an eyebrow these days.

[–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I was thinking about that as I was typing them up. It's really hard to draw a line on how criminal they are, or fame vs infamy, etc.

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah. The serial killers are definitely infamous, but nobody normal is thinking "Boy, we could sure use someone like that again".

...but someone who goes around stealing from big banks and insurance companies while also destroying people's mortgages (so they don't have to make payments on their houses)? I'm sure some people could get behind that.

Especially with the reaction we're seeing to the murder of the health insurance company CEO. I'm sure people have been coming up with lists of other deserving CEOs.