this post was submitted on 02 Dec 2024
26 points (100.0% liked)

askchapo

22814 readers
527 users here now

Ask Hexbear is the place to ask and answer ~~thought-provoking~~ questions.

Rules:

  1. Posts must ask a question.

  2. If the question asked is serious, answer seriously.

  3. Questions where you want to learn more about socialism are allowed, but questions in bad faith are not.

  4. Try !feedback@hexbear.net if you're having questions about regarding moderation, site policy, the site itself, development, volunteering or the mod team.

founded 4 years ago
MODERATORS
 

curious-marx

Something something rent, profit of enterprise, and interest are surplus value under the rule of Capital

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Who exactly the oppressed class under the Public Finance mode of production (if it can even be considered a distinct mode of production) would be is the important question.

Huh, I never really thought of that (it's not a mode of production; it's just another way of surplus value sucking, like landholding and industry with rent and profit, though it does finance capitalist and state projects)

I think as we transition deeper into a "Gig Economy" world, the answer is the Lumpenproletariat.

Lumpenprole?

I think I'm kinda biased in that lumpenprole aren't exactly proles but a marginalized and totally disenfranchised chaotic wildcard class without much relation to the productive forces, that may ally randomly with proletarian or bourgeois forces, so I have my doubts...

I don't trust a mixed bag for something relating to the commanding heights of the economy

Personally, I'd rather go the Lenin route and fully restructure the financial sector to be more suited for conventional working class ranks; from peasants and proletariat, as a tool towards state-allocated credit and funding

Capitalist culture has created large-scale production, factories, railways, the postal service, telephones, etc., and on this basis {that socialism seizes, if not creates} the great majority of the functions of the old "state power" have become so simplified and can be reduced to such exceedingly simple operations of registration, filing, and checking that they can be easily performed by every literate person, can quite easily be performed for ordinary "workmen's wages", and that these functions can (and must) be stripped of every shadow of privilege, of every semblance of "official grandeur".