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[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 11 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (5 children)

I woke up and immediately read about something called "Defense Llama". The horrors are never ceasing: https://theintercept.com/2024/11/24/defense-llama-meta-military/

Scale AI advertised their chatbot as being able to:

apply the power of generative AI to their unique use cases, such as planning military or intelligence operations and understanding adversary vulnerabilities

However their marketing material, as is tradition, include an example of terrible advice. Which is not great given it's about blowing up a building "while minimizing collateral damage".

Scale AI's response to the news pointing this out -- complaining that everyone took their murderbot marketing material seriously:

The claim that a response from a hypothetical website example represents what actually comes from a deployed, fine-tuned LLM that is trained on relevant materials for an end user is ridiculous.

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 13 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

On the one hand, that spectacular failure could potentially dissuade the military from buying in and prolonging this bubble. On the other hand, having an accountability sink for war crimes would be a tempting offer to your average army.

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 7 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I’ve been wondering about this

One the one hand, military procurement (at least afaik) tends toward complete functional product

On the other hand, military R&D programs have been among the most spectacularly profligate financial black holes in recent decades

None of the options involved feel great, even if “it gets shunted from mil procurement and all industry claims get publicly brandished as the bullshit it is” comes to pass (which tbh still feels like an optimistic outcome, with unclear time horizons)

[–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 4 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I mean it fits into the pattern of procurement projects that aren't allowed to fail despite having had serious coherence issues starting at the design stage. Though the military is usually less prone to the "problem in search of a solution" dynamic that VCs are prone to if a project gets started it can shamble forwards as a zombie for years before anyone finds the political will to kill it.

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

there is nothing sam altman more fervently desires than his own F-35 project

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 hour ago

saltman doesn't have skunk works or anything f35-shaped

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