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US Senate to vote on Bernie Sanders-led effort to stop arms sales to Israel
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And how do you suggest we do that?
The same way the Tea Party primaried out moderate Republicans.
Show up and vote.
Democrats protect centrist incumbents and ONLY centrist incumbents. When they have primaries at all.
For who you're ordered to and didn't have a say in.
The RNC saw moderates kicked out by voters in primaries, and candidates made sure to run.
Why can't the DNC and progressive voters do the same?
Because the DNC is structured explicitly to prevent progressive challengers.
There are many examples, but one big one is the DNC vendor banlist. The DNC says that any vendors who work with progressive primary challengers will be banned from any future work with the party.
This means that progressive challengers often cannot find vendors to do basic things like print flyers and signs, and finding experienced staff to hire is nearly impossible. And of course, "centrist" candidates have not been bothered by this.
And then at the top of the DNC you have hundreds of superdelegates and party officials who are overwhelmingly center right or rightwing. These people cannot be voted out directly.
Because the moderates running the DNC would rather keep control of the party with a republican president than let a progressive into the general.
If a progressive wins the general, they get to nominate DNC leadership, and if the DNC fights it, that's four years for the Dem president to start a new party in retaliation.
08 Obama was a wake up call for the DNC. Unfortunately what they learned wasn't how to win an election, it was what they need to do to keep their position as leaders for the only other viable option besides fascism.
And unfortunately for everyone living in America, for them to hold party control, it means every four years a fascist gets elected, and when a moderate Dem does win, they don't actually fix anything.
But when the DNC lets foreign governments, billionaires, and corporations throw millions into primary campaigns supporting both a D and R to guarantee they always win regardless of general results...
Why the fuck are you still blaming voters?
Because that's who chooses the leaders.
I vote in primaries; a lot of you online progressives aren't there voting with me. I voted for Katie Porter for senator in California, but the managerial class that actually shows up to vote wanted Schiff and so they got him.
EDIT: I find it hilarious that people advocating against showing up to vote in every other case always show up to downvote my comments.
LMAO
Good one bub.
Until we get dirty money out of at least the primaries and an actually non biased DNC, it's not voters deciding.
It's donors who flood primaries to ensure they don't need to worry about who wins a general.
For fucks sake, NH didn't even get a presidential primary this year, because they keep voting more progressive than the DNC wants.
How the actual fuck is trump their fault?
My state votes so late that the DNC calls the primary months before we vote... How am I supposed to have an effect?
If you want to blame primary voters, blame the handful the DNC allows to vote first (or at all) before they call it over.
But it would make a hell of a lot more sense to blame the DNC for all the rat fuckering they do.
You aren't getting "dirty money" out of politics from your couch or by making a post about it on Lemmy.
I show up to vote progressive during party primaries and you and yours leave me lonely at the polls. In some states, such as my state of California, we have jungle primaries. The "DNC" certainly didn't force the general contest for CA senator to be Schiff versus a Republican...the voters did.
Everyone talks a big game online about how popular leftism is, but I have yet to see it where it actually counts: at the fucking polls.
Oh...
This is one of those things where you're replying to a lot of my comments at once wanting to have the same argument in multiple places at the same time...
Most people will just ignore you or block you once they realize what's happening.
Sometimes you just have to wait for someone to reply.
Hope that helps you in the future.
What are you even talking about?
Enjoy trying to get money out of politics through magic.
AOC and the squad got in there. Some of them got voted out during primaries because progressives were no shows. If progressives can't show up to vote during primaries, I don't know how we're expected to take a general election.
We need to build an actual movement.
I mean I’m not happy about it but Trump might purge a good chunk of them
I don't think they'll get filled with progressives if Trump does that.