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Misinformation drove these people to vote for Trump. This is going be leopard eating their faces. Sad and shows just how much fake videos and misinformation can influence our elections.

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[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 99 points 1 week ago (28 children)

We can blame voters or fix our media landscape. You can do both, but we need to do the latter to have a functioning democracy.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago (14 children)

How would you fix something that isn't broken? This is what for-profit capitalist media does and has always done. Manufacturer consent for capitalism and its desires. Regulation in the past made it mildly less obvious? I mean they still breathlessly covered and promoted the Red Scare a half a century ago.

Not to mention that state and nonprofit media still have issues. How would one fix any of them? The only way to fix the media is to fix the voters. Actually teach critical thinking stills and encourage them. Not gullibly devouring anything fed to you unquestioningly.

You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make them drink. All the information to debunk every claim ever made by Trump is out there. All anyone has to do is look. But most people cannot be bothered. They will just go with whatever hearsay they see on Facebook.

On that note I recently had to deal with my sister getting a bit frothy. Raging about how the Harris administration had spent so much more money than the Trump administration had on some meaningless thing. I had to insert myself and point out if there had never been a Harris administration. And that not even the Biden Administration had done what she was talking about.

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 22 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

only way to fix the media is to fix the voters.

This narrative serves the capitalist class and cannot be proven. You don't "fix" voters, you create solidarity by dealing with their material conditions (engage in mutual aid).

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Solidarity is great. And I I'm all for it. But how do you have solidarity with a group of people that cannot even agree on what constitutes reality. How do you address the material conditions of people who reject addressing the material conditions if it also helps someone who isn't them.

The answer is you cannot. Not until critical thinking skills Etc are addressed. As long as people are blindly ideological of any stripe. There can't be solidarity

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

How do you address the material conditions of people who reject addressing the material conditions if it also helps someone who isn’t them.

I think the sort of help you're talking about is of political policy (ie free lunches at schools). I am speaking of direct action by volunteers (ie running a community pantry). When you engage in the community, conversations happen and that is when you can challenge biases in a non-confrontational setting.

If you cannot find solidarity in the masses then what is it you're looking for? A Vanguard party to reeducate the masses?

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

No not specifically. Again many of these people deny community with those they disagree with because of ideology. Though as someone pragmatically anarcho communist I do agree it is the better method. Working in communities.

The problem is how does one effectively address attacks facilitated through government? Is education reeducation? We're not talking about instilling any sort of ideology. I despise ideology generally. Vanguard parties specifically. We are talking about basic critical thinking skills. Checking and verifying sources. Not just blindly believing what others tell you.

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems -1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Those of us who are terminally online should definitely checking sources, but I don't think that is practical for those working two shifts and taking care of a family.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

It absolutely is. They may be limited on what they can check. But critical thinking skills which is the main thing I'm advocating for could easily eliminate a lot of the junk. Which is more than anything what I'm advocating for. Critical thinking skills get people thinking about sources and verification and not just accepting what they're told.

[–] jaxxed@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

That is well put. Thank you for that.

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