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[–] neanderthal@lemmy.world 104 points 6 days ago (8 children)

Well, to all the folks arguing with me on how voting for Harris was bad because of Gaza: CONGRATULATIONS! You REALLY made a point there. The Palestinians had a chance under Harris. Instead of voting for a chance for the Palestinians, you did nothing or voted for genocide. You did it from the other side of the world, where you won't have to suffer the consequences.

[–] Kraiden@kbin.earth 75 points 6 days ago (2 children)

"A vOTe fOR hARriS iS a VoTE FoR gENociDe"

Fucking morons

[–] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 28 points 6 days ago

Fucking Russians. Fixed it for you.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (9 children)
[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml -4 points 6 days ago

Yes, we are seeing that in spades in this comment section.

After 13 months of genocide backed by your candidates, where you were all out here sharing false lesser evil logic and other thought-terminating clichés about how you need to tolerate genocide to win, well, your candidate lost. Your strategy failed. Really, the party's strategy failed, as your political role relative to its decisions is someone who makes no demands and can be largely ignored.

Are you taking this time to reflect on how you were wrong? That maybe you shouldn't support genocide or project a false pretense of political understanding when what's underneath is really just right wing Democrat Reddit memes?

Nope, nothing is ever the fault of the party or its most dedicated soldiers. The party cannot fail, it can only be failed, right?

Blue MAGA.

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[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 21 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

It's not genocide if they aren't people.

--Trump, Probably

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago (3 children)

The entire unhinged right wing has been declaring them UnPersons for decades. I remember in the 90s, possibly earlier, hearing wingers saying "Palestine is not even a country, it was made up by the libs/Muslims, using the term 'Palestinian' is talking nonsense", and so on.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 7 points 6 days ago

The Israelis have used that line since before 1948. Standard colonial cultural erasure.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 0 points 6 days ago

"A land without a people for a people without a land" is an old Zionist settler colonial propaganda piece that is supported by Zionist liberals as well. This coincides with Israeli "culture", which is a weird mix of vaguely European, vaguely Jewish-ish, and the appropriation of Levantine culture. For example, going around calling hummus and pita "Israeli foods".

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml -2 points 6 days ago

Given the stark difference in how Dems resoonded to the plight of Ukrainians vs. Palestinians, it's clear that this is also the tacit Dem position and what upsets their voters is for it to be explicitly acknowledged.

[–] Rinox@feddit.it 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, but they've stuck to their guns, and now they can stand proud next to the bodies, knowing they never compromised on their moral integrity.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml -1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

We are not the ones complicit in this genocide. That is, in fact, those supporting the people committing genocide.

[–] jumperalex@lemmy.world 0 points 5 days ago

Please remember this statement when we see what exactly the Trump admin does to stop the genocide.

[–] MisterScruffy@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 days ago (13 children)

One mention of Harris to say she's not taking over for Biden

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 days ago

Harris had the exact same line on Israel as Biden and is literally part of the Biden-Harris administration.

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[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The Palestinians had a chance under Harris.

based on what data? You're just making stuff up.

[–] goldenlocks@lemmy.world 0 points 5 days ago (1 children)

based on them trying to feel better about voting for genocide and losing. they got the worst of both worlds instead of doing the right thing and gathering support for a better party

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

The mighty democratic party ladies and gents, blaming their epic across-the-entire government, across every demographic loss on a tiny minority of voters they explicitely said they'd bomb ---instead of owning the fact that they are out of touch with all of their voters who arent rich people.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml -3 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Well, to all the folks arguing with me on how voting for Harris was bad because of Gaza: CONGRATULATIONS! You REALLY made a point there.

Yes, I hope you can take this time to internalize a lesson: you should not support genocide or genociders. The candidate and strategy that you embraced was a gamble tbat you could support genocide and still win the election if you just recycled enough bad faith talking points at the people who consistently oppose genocide.

As you can see, you were wrong. And yet here you are trying to blame others rather than learn this lesson. Do some self-criticism instead. I hope you can forgive yourself for supporting genocide for a cynical loser like Harris.

The Palestinians had a chance under Harris.

Harris, of the Biden-Harris regime, has had an identical line to Biden's during this 13 months of US-backed genocide. Unconditional material support and some empty rhetoric trying to PR handle their base rather than change policy.

What do you imagine when you say, "had a chance"? Is it the current mass civilian bombing campaigns? Children burned alive? Mass starvation and malnutrition? Those are the things you've gone to bat for, that is the realized vision of the Biden-Harris regime.

you did nothing or voted for genocide

The people voting for genocidal candidates like Harris or Trump voted for genocode. That was something you seem to have done, but not I.

You did it from the other side of the world, where you won't have to suffer the consequences.

You cannot make your support for a genocider into an anti-privilege clapback. Do some self-criticism because this is gross.

[–] beebarfbadger@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yes, I hope you can take this time to internalize a lesson: you should not support genocide or genociders.

Sorry, what exactly is the lesson to be learned from this election, in which the candidate who more vocally supports the genocide won? As in, showing more support for the genociding party and demonstratively siding in all points with the genociders with not even rhetorical pushback, just pure endorsement of the genocide? Which lesson will analysing this election yield again?

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml -2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Sorry, what exactly is the lesson to be learned from this election, in which the candidate who more vocally supports the genocide won?

If it must be fully spelled out, it is that you cannot rope people whose politics is premised on empathy into supporting genocide and you will lose unless you demand better. If you want to fight against the forces of reaction, you cannot triangulate towards them, you have to actually have a semi-principled political program, not one premised on tokenization and "vote for us or the other guy will kill you even more".

[–] beebarfbadger@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

You seem to be wrong. Donald Trump didn't demand better and he didn't lose. The more pro-genocide party objectively won.

[–] Jentu@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

people whose politics is premised on empathy

You must not have read this part. Republican politics don’t rely on empathy, but democratic policy supposedly does, thus less turnout for a less empathetic democratic candidate.

[–] beebarfbadger@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago

That's a very narrow grouping you draw there. Because in that group you are describing, the democrats got the most votes bar none. Nobody in that narrow category got even got close.

[–] neanderthal@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Those are the things you've gone to bat for, that is the realized vision of the Biden-Harris regime.

There's a difference between making the best of a bad situation and going to bat for it. Your choices were someone who there is a chance of reigning in Israel or someone that told them to do whatever they want with weapons we send. The latter is obviously a bad choice unless you agree with Israel.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml -2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The Palestinians had a chance under Harris.

No, they didn't.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Whatever you need to tell yourself to get through the night, buddy.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 days ago

Right back atcha.