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[–] Skates@feddit.nl 31 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

"Hate never made America great" ? What the fuck are you even talking about? Your hate of commies launched you to the moon and made you a nuclear superpower. Your hate of the religious freedom in Europe caused you to invade another continent and cause genocide upon its inhabitants. Your hate of black people sparked a civil war that almost destroyed you as a country.

Hate is what defines you. As a reminder of the hate you perpetuate, your majority chose hate of women and minorities instead of throwing a known criminal in jail. Trump is the US. Hate is the US.

[–] Johnmannesca@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Our hate of fascism led us to put Hitler in a corner so dark he took his own life because the commies we hated so much would've done so much worse to him like Mussolini. I think you have misrepresented our hatred of commies, since this is just one part of our history; we work with the commies whenever it's convenient and then when it's peaceful we make a pissing contest for the sake of flexing on one another like petty stepbrothers. Hate is a big part of our history, yes, but it's ignorant to think of this as the whole face of America.

And before anyone says "America joined WWII late," I want to say that's a lie by omission most of the time. It's true that America put troops on the ground only after Pearl Harbor...but the US government was already sending supplies to the allies before that; for the entire duration of the war, the US had an anti-Nazi government. Hypocritically so due to the US policies against black people, but some people phrase it in a way that makes it sound like they want us to believe the US was close to joining the Axis before Pearl Harbor (also bringing up the MSG rally, which...you could find a comparable amount of Nazis in any Western country at the time.) Anti-interventionism was the absolute norm in the US at the time.

Now, it is incorrect that US History class casts Americans as the primary heroes of WWII.

[–] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

instead of throwing a known criminal in jail.

All they had to do is throw in jail is correct. But no, they kept him around and used him as the "orange boogyman" so they can campaign without campaign promises.

[–] 100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 4 points 2 days ago

As an Italian who lived through three different Berlusconi's governments... there is no way back. Identity politics is too yummy for lobbies and the other people who fund politicians.

[–] recapitated@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What should someone even do to respond to a viewpoint like this?

[–] Skates@feddit.nl 2 points 2 days ago

I mean, some support of reform in your congress and senate would be a good answer. Allowance from people outside the two anointed parties to come forward and propose good ideas even if they don't affiliate themselves with the oligarchs running things in the republican and democratic parties - fix that First Past The Post bullshit, you all know it's bad for you. Reform of how you count votes, gerrymandering is literally destroying your elections. Reform of how many representatives there are for each state - you're telling me even though California has 17 million more people than Florida, they have the same number of senators? Or maybe it'd be nice if your cops wouldn't be above the law and always getting away with murdering minorities, that would help. Or maybe reform of your education and healthcare systems, which feed all your money in the pockets of the same fucks who then force you into labor for the "luxury" of taking an ambulance to the hospital when you're sick, or earning a higher education. Reform of your for-profit prison system that jails minorities to further increase your class divide. Or reform of your diplomatic relations with countries known for genocide. Reform of so many different things... But I think most of all, it would really have sent a message if instead of making him president, you'd have just jailed the convicted felon that has ties to one of your biggest enemies. Cause otherwise you're just painting the picture that corruption has overtaken you.

And hey, it's not you as a person that is responsible for any of this. But this is how it looks like from the outside. Your majority has decided you're gonna be corrupt fucks for the next few years and that you as a nation are gonna exchange the lives of women for a red hat and a fake tan. If that's what the majority decides, that's the impression your country will leave. I'm truly sorry about it for the many actually reasonable people that are left. Perhaps now is a good time to consider emigration.