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[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 18 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

A bit of an aside, but how did everyone decide to use the exact phrase "decisive victory" when congratulating president elect Trump? It keeps jumping out to me and I find it kind of weird. It has almost a militaristic tone.

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

IMO, coordinated media strategy. you can send all the people you want to congratulate you a prebaked message or tweet or whatever, saves them the trouble of writing something themselves. That or copy paste

[–] zogwarg@awful.systems 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I think that particular talking point also serves an exculpatory purpose: "If it was only a razor-thin victory I might understand being angry with me, but see it's a decisive victory. He has the mandate ~~of heaven~~ of the people (this is a Trumpian victory! not a Democrat failure!) ! It would be wrong not to congratulate him!"

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

after this decisive victory, I guess I have no choice but to take this mask off, what a shame...

that+ losing the popular vote in 2016 must have really hurt that ego of his.

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 13 points 2 weeks ago

LLM Use cases:

  1. Crime
  2. Laziness
  3. Congratulating Donald Trump for anything ever
[–] jonhendry@iosdev.space 7 points 2 weeks ago

@sailor_sega_saturn

Maybe it's one of those cliches like “bus plunge”

[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Also it isn't? 50.2% to 48.1% of votes is not decisive in any sensible meaning of the word?

If you account for the turnout (around 60%) it means 30% voted for Trump and 28.9% for Harris, so "none of those" won decisively with 40%!

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Losing every swing state and failing to even win the consolation trophy of the popular vote after even Hillary fucking Clinton managed that much is something I'd call getting your ass handed to you. The US election system is terrible, but it's the game they were playing and Trump won hands down.

Also, not that it's the point but I have to note that technically most election victories are decisive, in the sense that they resolve the winner with little to no ambiguity (which is usually the case, even when the margin is narrow). In that sense, the only way Trump's victory is not decisive is if you contest the legitimacy of the whole election.

[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Also, not that it’s the point but I have to note that technically most election victories are decisive, in the sense that they resolve the winner with little to no ambiguity (which is usually the case, even when the margin is narrow). In that sense, the only way Trump’s victory is not decisive is if you contest the legitimacy of the whole election.

This is such pedantry that you might as well say "the Merriam-Webster dictionary defines decisive as..."

[–] sc_griffith@awful.systems 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

considering trump has spent the last four years pretending he won the previous election I actually do wonder if part of the subtext is "we acknowledge you won for real realsies and we cannot talk shit about you as a fake president"

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Yea I know, had to get that digression out of my system, especially since you said "in any sensible meaning of the word" and all. Sorry, I didn't mean to nuh-uh you on semantics, just point out something that tickled my pedantry sense.

Edit: I also brought it up because IMO "decisive" is a bit of an odd choice to describe election victory, unless referring to some grander context where the election marks a major historical turning point in national or international politics in favor of the winning side.

[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 4 points 1 week ago

I see calling like Raegan's margin in 1984 "decisive"

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 6 points 2 weeks ago

Could be they are sharing a bit of a media bubble. In 2016 there was a bit of a (pre election) "he will win in a landslide" thing due to Scottbert.