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Temporary rule: No new Political Topics until Nov 16th but.... Use this topic to discuss (lemmy.world)

submitted 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) by dragontamer@lemmy.world to c/bestoflemmy@lemmy.world

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Hey, lots of Political Topics coming up that's just turning into blame games, anger and bad vibes. I'm enacting a temporary rule: no new politic topics for one week as of now.

I recognize that there is a lot of anger around the election and it's legitimate to feel that way. But I'm willing to bet that none of the political talk in the next week constitutes a 'Best Of' post anyway.

That being said: feel free to use this topic (!!!!) as political talking points. I'm serious. People deserve to discuss their opinions and I don't want to hamper them too much.

If you have political stuff to say, say it in here. I'll promise to lightly moderate this topic, which means this topic will naturally lead to bad vibes and poor arguments.

But we need a place to discuss and vent.

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[–] m_f@midwest.social 20 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

I'll start, with an opinion that's definitely uncontroversial /s

Identity politics is dead. People are ready for real change, not corporatism in a leftist skinsuit. It would be so easy to draw people back. Stop talking shit about cishet white men or whatever, talk about how you're going to help the working class, and then do that.

Stop doing dumb token shit like forcing the master -> main github renaming. The only thing that accomplished was white libs patting themselves on the back while doing jack shit to accomplish real change.

If you don't like that and think the DNC just lost because of racism/sexism/whatever, that's fine. Prepare yourself for more fascism as a result of that attitude, though.

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

While identity politics are important, I have always believed that their explosion into mainstream after Occupy Wall Street died was part of an intentional plan of the powers that be to kill the momentum of the potential class war.

That, along with some of the stories coming out of the camps as things crumbled, match up pretty directly with stuff out of leaked and un-classified three letter agency guides on disrupting grass roots movements.

Hard to have any kind of momentum against the 1% when you're busy arguing about microagressions along identity lines. Or ignoring the point of intersectionality entirely to lump poverty level trailerpark white males in with old money white male ceos.

Wealth is a far more influential force on life outcomes than any identity aspects. Identity more heavily impacts the 99%, so focusing on it takes eyes off the tippy top elite.

Just like all the recent focus on landlords including hate for small local people renting out one family property rather than focusing on the fucking investment companies buying up entire towns worth of housing.

Keep your eyes on the fucking prize folks, instead of squabbling over the tablescraps.

[–] m_f@midwest.social 4 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, definitely. I don't have any proof, but very much believe that Occupy Wall Street was viewed as an actual threat and identity politics was weaponized against it, as you say.

To be clear, I don't mean "identity politics is dead" as in "racism is over" or anything like that. I mean it more in the sense of "Stop letting those in power divide us" and "there is no war but class war".

Keep your eyes on the prize, indeed.

[–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz -1 points 2 weeks ago

Drag thinks identity politics are still alive. "Trans people shouldn't be put in concentration camps" is gonna be a controversial statement in 4 years.