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[–] t3rmit3@beehaw.org 27 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

15+ million Democrats sat out compared to voting for Biden. I suspect this was less about Harris not being progressive enough, and more about sexism.

I repeatedly heard Democrats tell me they didn't think America was going to elect a woman president, and it looks like what they meant was they wouldn't elect one.

[–] theangriestbird@beehaw.org 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

i suspect it has more to do with the fact that she supported genocide against Arabs abroad, and she needed Arab-Americans to win this election.

[–] t3rmit3@beehaw.org 29 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I wish I could at least believe it was about principles, but my gut tells me otherwise. This gap looks too similar to Hillary's in 2016.

If there's a ~20% drop in your voters every time a woman is up for election, you've got a problem.

Or, stop putting up female versions of the most right wing presidents possible. People didn't hate thatcher because she was a woman. She was evil, she happened to be a woman.

People didn't hate Clinton because she was a woman, they hated her for presuming she deserved the seat ("it's her turn"), they hated her for her blatant racism only tipped by Trump, they hated her for promising to expand America's wars and international meddling, and unfairly, they hated her for her husbands failures when he was president, the assumption being she would be similar.

People didn't hate Harris because she was a woman, they hate her because shes an uncharismatic genocidal racist that desperately wants to continue Biden's policies when it's clear they've hurt more Americans than helped.

Democrats, if they want votes, need to be a party of hope, not hate. We have a party of hate. Running on a right wing platform doesn't work against a right wing platform. Every single neoliberal is closer to fascism than the center, so if you're going to edge conservativism you will always lose to the guy promising fascism.

[–] sanzky@beehaw.org 11 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

she had a huge surge in popularity when her candidacy was announced. then she decided to move to the right assuming she would gain more votes from the mythical center than the votes she would loose from marginalized people and the left. She was wrong. so many people said this was happening. and she did nothing to fix it.

Betraying people and then blaming them for not voting for you because the other guy is worse is EXTORTION.

[–] sanzky@beehaw.org 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

you know those abussive partners that yell to their victims “where are you going if you leave me? you’ll sleep in the streets. You’ll be worse without me ”.

that’s the dems.

[–] t3rmit3@beehaw.org 4 points 2 weeks ago

She had a huge surge in media popularity, but how many of the eventual sit-out voters would still have sat out from day 1, we'll never know.

Either way, the DNC has to go, because their choice to back Biden and delay everything until the last possible moment created this entire situation in the first place.

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 4 points 2 weeks ago

15+ million

That's a huge number btw, almost unbelievable imho