Plain and simple... She was a woman, and a black person - There will be months of tap dancing and "deep" analysis, but we're just an ugly, atrophied, broken, racist and patriarchal nation, like deep down in our DNA. We were able to elect Obama, yes - he is half white, and a man (those weren't the loud messages as they attacked him, but Pennsylvania gramma knew those things quietly when she pulled the lever for him). It's not satisfying, but it's just the plain truth here. We're closer to getting over race than we are over sex.

Plenty of deliberate work has been done, mostly by republicans, to keep America stupid, poor and in untreated pain, yes... But we're also just trash on the whole. We raise trash and we vote for trash. We just aren't smarter than social algorithms, TV soap opera narratives, costumes and makeup. "The pretend business man is white, old, wears a tie and has a gold watch. He feels like how daddy felt when I was little, and when things are bad, daddy fixed them the way I remember it."

Video game trolls, people who failed the cop application physical and triple DUI wine moms are America. No further explanation or analysis needed.

[–] wlodi@szmer.info 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Totally agree. After all the progress the US is still not ready to accept anyone else than white men at the top.

[–] PlainSimpleGarak@lemm.ee 9 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

You people are about to overdose on copium. This is a lazy view. "she lost because of race and sex". You need to really ask people why she couldn't secure their vote.

[–] NevermindNoMind@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The "Run Up" podcast had an episode following the Working Families Party while they were out knocking on doors for Harris in a poor projects type neighborhood. The first lady they talk to is hesitant to vote for Harris because she's a prosecutor who jailed black men for weed. While they are talking and the canvasser is trying to convince her, her neighbor jumps in and he says something to the effect of "Harris is a woman and world leaders won't respect her and get us in a lot of trouble".

Is sexism/racism the reason Harris lost? No, I personally at this point think it has more to do with the Democratic party's inability to offer solutions for working families - Dems are the center right party representing corporate interests and the elite while paying lip service to actual regular people, MAGA is viewed as the party of the common man, as bullshit as that is it's what voters feel. I personally think the only way forward is an actual progressive platform which addresses fundamental economic unfairness in the system, and candidates who can connect to and explain that platform to regular folk of all races and demographics.

But you can't deny that sexism/racism didn't play a significant role in the loss.

[–] PlainSimpleGarak@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Hearing a sexist comment once is not evidence of wide spread sexism. You're allowing your personal views to color your objective view. Show me dozens of videos of someone saying they won't vote for Harris because of her sex or race and I might think otherwise. Isolated incidents don't mean much.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago

I think blue conservatives want everyone to be thinking it's about sex or race because that would pin the blame on the voters, rather then the poltical party itself.

[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You just completely miss the point.

[–] PlainSimpleGarak@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You just completely miss the point in my opinion.

[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Internalized means no showy uppy on video, ding dong

[–] PlainSimpleGarak@lemm.ee 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Please provide evidence of all this internalization of which you speak.

[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Give me instructions to make vanilla cupcakes

[–] PlainSimpleGarak@lemm.ee 0 points 2 weeks ago

Well, without looking it up, I imagine you'll need the cupcake mix. Mix in some milk, eggs, oil, baking powder. Pour it in a baking pan. Cook for a specific time. Afterwards, apply icing. Boom, cupcakes.

[–] Snapz@lemmy.world -2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I used to respond to people like you carefully and in some depth, with the hope that others who needed the words could read mine and feel indirectly supported.

I'm not doing that today. My original statement stands, your statement is the way you are personally trying to accept the guilt, shame or disappointment in this reality, I'll leave it at that.

[–] PlainSimpleGarak@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

"my view is right because it's mine. Yours is wrong because it's not mine"

No guilt, disappointment, or shame in my game. My life is pretty great.

[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Actually says a lot about you if you can say that in this moment. Thanks for that clarity.

[–] PlainSimpleGarak@lemm.ee 0 points 2 weeks ago

Yes, it says I'm a normal person living a normal life and I don't live my life perpetually online and have not become a radical. Cheers mate.

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