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I genuinely do not know who the bad guys are. S lot of my leftist friends are against Israel, but from what I know Israel was attacked and is responding and trying to get their hostages back.

Enlighten me. Am I wrong? Why am I wrong?

And dumb it down for me, because apparently I'm an idiot.

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[โ€“] HomerianSymphony@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Just to be clear, Hamas does not want to eradicate the Jews. That is a myth propagated by Israel.

Hamas wants to eliminate Israel, by which they mean they want Israel replaced by an Arab-majority state in which both Jews and Arabs live. (Hamas want the return of 4 million Palestinian refugees to Israel/Palestine, which would make it an Arab-majority state.)

Furthermore, they have indicated they are open to negotiating a Two-State solution.

I don't think it makes any sense to portray Hamas as unreasonable for wanting Arabs to control the whole land (from the river to the sea) when Israel want the same thing for Jews.

[โ€“] Greyfoxsolid@lemmy.world -4 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Why does Hamas get to say they want to eradicate Israel as a state and have Arab-majority control over the region, but Israel doesn't get to say they want to control the entire region? What makes who correct to say that in either case?

[โ€“] frazorth 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Your confusing a state with a people.

Hama's want to stop Israel (the state) from existing as they occupy their territory, and make them live in internment camps.

Israel wants to stop the Palestinian people from existing, because they are an inconvenience.

[โ€“] Maggoty@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

Because Israel set up an apartheid state. If they had set about building a representative democracy that included a constitutional right of return for Jews nobody would have had a problem. Instead they want to own all this land and oppress the people who live there.

Either that's a legitimate goal or it isn't. I don't think it is.

[โ€“] HomerianSymphony@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

but Israel doesn't get to say they want to control the entire region?

What do you mean Israel doesn't "get" to say that?

Israel does say that, and Israel does control the entire region, and almost every Western power allows them to.

[โ€“] Greyfoxsolid@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I guess I meant to ask why is it morally okay for Palestinians to want to do that, but not morally ok for Israelis to want to do that. Is it because Israel is an apartheid, ethnostate?

[โ€“] peppers_ghost@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 weeks ago

Palestinians want the right to return from where they were ethnically cleansed, Israel wants to maintain a Jewish majority state.

[โ€“] BNE@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Because Palestine is a multifaith, multicultural country and Israel is a colonial foothold & apartheid that is actively and systemically trying to erase both Palestine and Palestinians.

Resistance is justified, oppression is not.

Israel is saying they want to destroy Hamas which is the government of Gaza.

And they are saying they want to control the region. They call it Greater Israel.