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Yeah, people already explained to you that you can choose neither beef nor pork and you will get neither beef nor pork, but if you choose neither the geriatric loony nor the sane candidate, you will still definitely get one of them. The vegan analogy is bogus because it's a scenario in which there's a free choice from a vast number of options. You keep saying you want neither, but you can't have neither. You have to have one of them as president.
What a vegan wants isn't just to not eat either pork or beef, but for neither animal to be killed. You can kill them anyway, but that doesn't mean I have to eat. Same way, you can elect whichever of the awful candidates you want, but I don't have to support them.
Still doesn't compare.
If 10% of citizens who care about animals consistently don't eat pork or beef, the food industry reduces production and fewer pigs and cows get slaughtered for food.
If 10% of citizens who care about Palestinians don't vote, Trump wins and it's in Netanyahu's interest to prolong, advance and widen his genocidal flattening of Gaza, extend it to the whole of the West Bank, wipe out as much of Lebanon as he can and take the war to Iran. That and all the turning the military on left wing citizens, mass deportations, leaving women to lose their fertility or die for lack of healthcare nationality, put trans people in jail after calling them pedophiles and let their pedophile friends off scot free. Meanwhile the Democrats see that left wingers don't vote and the only votes they can chase are "centrists" and adopt more right wing policies because nothing moves the Overton window right more than a right wing government and there's no loopy logic that'll get you out of that reality.
If those 10% vote for Kamala Harris she continues to call publicly and privately for a ceasefire, and if the Democrats win both the House and the Senate they have the chance to actually change stuff and shit like the republicans' new law removing the president's power to delay and shipments gets washed away and there's a chance, albeit small, that Harris is in power long enough and securely enough to do as you advocate and pressurise Netanyahu to stop, but there's zero chance of that if she loses.
There's no third option. It's either Trump winning and everything getting worse, especially in Gaza, the West Bank, Lebanon, the Middle East generally and the USA in particular, or Kamala winning and things getting marginally better.
Vegans make a positive difference by refusing both.
People like you make things much, much worse by refusing both.
We've been over this, in the other thread where you can't address my point. Biden and Harris have no interest in stopping what's happening in Gaza, they fully support unconditional arms shipments to Israel. This is where you call me a secret Trump supporter because there's nothing you can say to that.
Aw gee, look at my post about electoral arithmetic vs vegan arithmetic that you ignore completely and tell me DEmoCRats eViL as usual, with your favourite one sided unfair misrepresentation served up as the usual non sequitur with a side of classic @OBJECTION!-style glossing over how much worse trump would be for Palestine, the world and the USA.
You're so predictable. Never have anything interesting or insightful to say, always just here to lambast me for not singing the praises of a candidate I don't even support. Boring.
If you don't support him, why do you spend so much time online parroting his talking points? It's weird. Anyway, still doesn't address the point that vegans choosing neither makes things better and voters who care about Gaza choosing neither makes Trump win and things would be worse for Palestine and the Middle East and the USA, and women and trans folk and education, and you'd have Epstein's "best friend" and "the best king of Israel" back in the Whitehouse. Unless you vote for the only person who can stop him, the imperfect but much, much better Kamala Harris.
Did you see the "Trump is planning a third red scare" news headline, starting the article with