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Bernie Sanders to voters skipping presidential election over Israel: ‘Trump is even worse’
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They live in cloud cuckoo land where Biden/Harris can just tell Netanyahu "Fuck off and shove a grenade up your arse, you genocidal maniac" and that would actually work.
They believe in Schrodinger's Jew: that Jews simultaneously control US politics and that US Presidents control Israel.
Must be awesome to live such a privileged life that that's the only thing you have to care about in this election cycle.
Women's healthcare issues? LGBTQ rights? Interracial marriages? The US economy? The environment? Kids' lives? Nah, you only care about Palestinian people. Well done you! Golf claps for you.
What the hell is wrong with you ? Seriously.
I pity you, dude, if that's truly what you took away from that.
I'm 100% against all of the genocides happening in the world today. But I also know that Trump will not give you peace.
Any of the right wing politicians, whether that's trump, orban, putin, wilders, etc, only care about themselves and their kind of white people. They'd drop bombs on Palestine and Ukraine themselves, if it would help their career further. That's the alternative. I'm pretty sure you don't want that at all, right?
(also, I'm not American)
Most of Israel's weapons come from the US. It's very well possible for the US congress/government to say "no more weapons if you use them for agression".
Biden tried just slowing weapon shipments earlier on and Rs and some Ds rammed a bill through saying nope, no slowdowns on these shipments allowed.
The Joe Biden administration also stated that Israel would receive "whatever it needs". Which is pretty much what has happened so far.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Israel_in_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war
When you have a racist right-wing party, and a right-wing party that supports killing innocents, I am not as enthused to vote as I would be if there were a clear choice between them.
Oh so you support racism?
Wow, stoned people really do say ridiculous things.
You said there is no clear choice between. A party that supports killing innocents and racism. And a party that supports killing innocents. It’s not hard math.
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't there more dead on the Gaza side? What's the math of that?
I mean, if both are killing innocents, but one is killing innocents on top of being racist, it's pretty obvious that the racist one is worse. A kindergartener could check that math.
It's interesting how you have to resort to being dismissive when I say that I don't like seeing innocents killed.
You say you're voting for 'harm reduction'. But, factually, supporting Israel is increasing harm, not reducing it. You might be upset with me because you're rationalising painful reality.
I have no choice, due to autism, but to accept reality for what it is. And it's not nice, because living in a world where it is politically expedient to support killing innocent people sucks. I want nothing to do with it, and I would swap with someone in Palestine so that I could die, instead.
They are both shit. Don't support or vote criminals.
That’s what this entire post is about. You’re accomplishing jack shit by not voting.
Wrong, supporting criminals with blood on their hands is evil and make things worst. If the red and blue party start to lose votes they have to go in damage mode and actually change their policies to get their votes back. As long as people support and vote for them they don't really have to change anything, they cycle in power.
This is WHAT THE POST IS ABOUT. Putting Trump in office to try to influence the Dems is incredibly stupid and we’ve been responding to this tripe ALL YEAR already. Trump will be worse on Palestine, Ukraine, actively seek to harm LGBT people as well as Central/Southern American immigrants, and be much worse on tons of issues like labor laws, financial regulations, the environment, on and on. So, no. What you’re proposing is a naive and clueless idea.
The only naive and clueless idea is supporting your government while its fueling a genocide where kids are being murdered daily
Can you read, at all? What you’re saying is the precise stupid shit that this post is about and I’ve already pointed out that almost always, people sharing that viewpoint simply say something stupid and insulting about genocide and miss the entire point. So good job. I’m not going to bother to repeat it, but I’ll point out that claiming people are “supporting their government” by voting is one of the dumbest things I’ve heard lately.
By voting a party you are supporting them. By advocating others to vote for it you are supporting them even more. If a party is already in charge as the government and you vote for them or encourage others to do so you are supporting the government.
I really don’t get why some people have a hard time understanding how this all works. For an office like President, you don’t get your favorite choice. Period. You have to vote for the candidate who can actually win and best reflects your views and values. Jesus Christ. I can’t possibly be fucked to explain this again.
Don't spread propaganda. You can vote for anyone you want who is in the ballots.
It’s more like a racist right-wing party that supports killing innocents, and a right-wing party that supports killing innocents.
You're right, I just thought "racist" implied "supports killing", as I am aware of the history and practice of racism.
wow you just ignore that biden wanted to give them the weapons anyways. you see its a little thing called providing cover. Biden didn't fight against it because he wanted to give isreal the weapons.
That bill went through with a veto-proof majority of all Rs and enough Dems.
Biden is a zionist, however, he's also a politician who understands that the genocide was not and is not super favorable domestically. It's also not a good look for the ceasefire negotiations to be as unsuccessful as they've been. If the opposition wasnt the orange turd this election could have easily gone R just like Reagan v Carter with Iranian hostage crisis.
oh wow! a veto proof majority! its too bad biden controls the military and can just know you. not ship them. invoke leahy. etc.
biden has no one to blame but himself for gaza. go read the article of the israel/gaza timelines. there was no need for whats happening to happen. biden just had to... not ship weapons. he had all the legal cover he could have possibly wanted if his goal was to end the genocide.
lol. they have not even happened. bibi has 0 interest in a ceasefire. the biden admin knows this. if they don't then we definitely need to get rid of them all.
Nooooo!!!!!! Anything other than perfect support at all times for everything Netanyahu does is Trump support from Russia! Every lemmy genocide supporter says so!