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ik that Biden isn't re-running, but Kamala is basically the same from the macro pov
I don't know what to think about people claiming to be LGBT+ allies who would even remotely entertain not voting Harris.. as the risk to the people they say they want to protect is domestic as well. This is a palestinians lose or everyone lose waaaayyyyy worse kinda deal .. so yeah.. apparently ideals don't matter that much.
I'm sorry but if you believe you can only be gay if brown people get genocided you're not gay and you just want to kill children.
If someone is willing to genocide anyone, then they'll come for you eventually too. Nazis didn't start their genocide with Jews.
Stick your strawman. Brown people dying is not a precondition.. I did not imply that at all. It's that more people will suffer and die if trump is not defeated. It's like saying Hitlers opponent was also bad.. yeah maybe.. but he's not advocating fascism.
Genocide and support for genocide is fascism. Harris is advocating for fascism.
If they're willing to fully fund the elimination of Palestinians, they wont stop when they are gone. You might not be next on the list, but you're on the list, we all are under a genocidal government.
Does not voting for Harris end the genocide?
No, the right wing pro Zionist, "there are no red lines for Israel," candidate will not help to end the genocide randomly reversing course on her entire campaign.
Sorry, maybe I should've phrased my rhetorical question better or maybe that I'm too worn out is making me unable to read your comment as anything but a non-sequitor.
Does voting for Trump, voting third party, or abstaining help end the decades of ethnic cleansing that Israel has enacted, and continues to enact, with bipartisan US support?
No, no, no, and no to voting for Harris in the same line of questioning.
However a vote for Harris or trump is consent for genocide on your behalf using your taxes.
Alas, they don't need or want consent. And there isn't consent based tax spending.
If you feel better by spoiling your ballot. Go ahead. I've done it plenty. But that sense of moral purity doesn't end the genocide either.
It's about changing the system, not the figurehead. And changing that system tends to be easier and go better when the figurehead is less likely to call the army to shoot on left wing protests early.
And the genocide isn't going to end tomorrow, so why throw other people under the bus?
I'm sorry what world are you living in?
The VP for the Harris campaign LITERALLY called the military on left wing protestors as governor.
To your last point, if you believe your life continuing requires genocide, you need to die. Not a call for violence, but anyone that believes that is objectively a Nazi.
You keep saying that, but I can't see anyone coming close to actually thinking or claiming it.
LGBTQI people don't need US imperialism or a campaign of eradication against peoples in the Middle East. We've been around since the start of human history, and will last longer than any nation state.
The point is is that since the genocide will be supported by the US regardless of the presidental figurehead, why not try to get one that won't also persecute migrants, women, and LGBTQI folks as well supporting the atrocisitea of Israel?
You're right, he did. And that is bad. I still believe that Harris-Walz will be less quick to resort to calling in the military on Left Wing protests than Trump-Hillbilly Elegy Author will though.
But yes, none of what I say means I think that a Harris presidency will be good. Just that it will be less bad for some people and equally bad for others.
I'm literally queer both in terms of sexuality and gender 💀💀 and am against genocide precisely bc of my principles (though I don't live in the US)
bc choosing to support the "lesser of two evils" since they won't target you domestically is lacking any and all backbone. "The dems can have a little genocide, as a treat. After all, they protect minorities in the 'civilised west' and that is the only place that counts" (not putting words in your mouth, just that this is what the position essentially boils down to)
Why are all your arguments "if you don't do X you're doing Y"?
Has the two-party system defeated you so much that you can't see anything but binary choices? It's been decades of being forced to choose between two bad choices and you've been choosing a bad option every time, on the promise of a better one next election. But you're never going to get an alternative if you just keep voting for the lesser of two evils every 4 years.
And I hope the Putin comment is just that and not a xenophobic dogwhistle because their name is in Cyrillic..