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[–] BurnedOliveTree@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I wonder if we had ž etc like Czechs would it make it easier for foreigners to read

[–] Klear@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Is ź and ż not enough? =D

[–] Justas@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Fun fact: The Czech adopted š, č and ž to look less German. The Lithuanians adopted it to look less Polish.

[–] Jyrdano@lemmy.world 3 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Based Jan Hus. Sparking religious wars and linguistic reforms.

[–] Justas@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 weeks ago

That happened hundreds of years after Hus.

[–] BurnedOliveTree@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

That's actually a fun fact :D. I do wish Polish would adopt this signs though, just so we wouldn't have these digraphs

[–] Jyrdano@lemmy.world 3 points 4 weeks ago

It would certainly make Polish easier to read for Czechs. Not sure about other foreigners, šžčřě might be just as alien.

[–] nepenthes@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I'm learning Polish, and spelling (rz dz sz cz ł and ą ę ż ś) is all fine for me-- the thing I struggle with is the grammatical cases. The fact that the ending of everything changes is what has caused me to give up twice 🥺

I will pick it up again, but I sucked at the Masculine/Feminine thing with French, and this is a lot more difficult.

CAT:

  • KOT
  • KOTA
  • KOTU
  • KOTEM
  • KOCIE <--- (This is where I quit: Locative case took the T away WTF?!)

Przepraszam moja drogi!!

[–] Bohurt@lemm.ee 2 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Looks weired but a sound of C and T has to be somehow connected, at least it feels like they are to me. Based on my experience, sound of Polish Ć and Czech Ť are transitional between Polish/Czech T/C. Proper linguist might put some more light on it than just my speculation.

[–] BurnedOliveTree@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Our C is reffered in IPA as joined "TS" sound, so there is definitely some merit to that

[–] Bohurt@lemm.ee 1 points 4 weeks ago

Polish C is also described as /t͡s/ (e.g. co /t͡sɔ/). According to wiki both are dental and voiceless although one is plosive and the other affricate. As I've read their descriptions on wiki, they made a lot of sense - /t͡s/ starts with a blockade of airway (just as /t/) but the air is released slightly differently thus making the difference in sound produced.

[–] BurnedOliveTree@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago

The T turning into C is called somehow, I don't remember how, but it's used quite often. For example, "expensive" and "more expensive" would be "drogo" and "drożej". I think there were even some tables for all the transformations, but I might misremember things